Posts by Richie

  • confusedjw
    18

    Russia informed US of Iraq Attack Plans

    by confusedjw in
    1. social
    2. current

    by raushan nurshayeva .

    astana, kazakhstan (reuters) - russian president vladimir putin, in comments sure to help president bush, declared friday that russia knew iraq's saddam hussein had planned terror attacks on u.s. soil and had warned washington.

    putin said russian intelligence had been told on several occasions that saddam's special forces were preparing to attack u.s. targets inside and outside the united states.

    1. Leolaia
    2. JH
    3. Richie
  • Richie
    Richie

    Despite Al Gore's or Moore's attempt to dismiss any connection between al Qaeda and Iraq, it was the Clinton administration that was out there making the link years ago!

    Clinton first linked al Qaeda to Saddam


    By Rowan Scarborough
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES

    The Clinton administration talked about firm evidence linking Saddam Hussein's regime to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network years before President Bush made the same statements.
    The issue arose again this month after the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States reported there was no "collaborative relationship" between the old Iraqi regime and bin Laden.

    Democrats have cited the staff report to accuse Mr. Bush of making inaccurate statements about a linkage. Commission members, including a Democrat and two Republicans, quickly came to the administration's defense by saying there had been such contacts.
    In fact, during President Clinton's eight years in office, there were at least two official pronouncements of an alarming alliance between Baghdad and al Qaeda. One came from William S. Cohen, Mr. Clinton's defense secretary. He cited an al Qaeda-Baghdad link to justify the bombing of a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan.
    Mr. Bush cited the linkage, in part, to justify invading Iraq and ousting Saddam. He said he could not take the risk of Iraq's weapons falling into bin Laden's hands.
    The other pronouncement is contained in a Justice Department indictment on Nov. 4, 1998, charging bin Laden with murder in the bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa.
    The indictment disclosed a close relationship between al Qaeda and Saddam's regime, which included specialists on chemical weapons and all types of bombs, including truck bombs, a favorite weapon of terrorists.
    The 1998 indictment said: "Al Qaeda also forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in the Sudan and with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezbollah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies in the West, particularly the United States. In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the government of Iraq."
    Shortly after the embassy bombings, Mr. Clinton ordered air strikes on al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and on the Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan.
    To justify the Sudanese plant as a target, Clinton aides said it was involved in the production of deadly VX nerve gas. Officials further determined that bin Laden owned a stake in the operation and that its manager had traveled to Baghdad to learn bomb-making techniques from Saddam's weapons scientists.
    Mr. Cohen elaborated in March in testimony before the September 11 commission.
    He testified that "bin Laden had been living [at the plant], that he had, in fact, money that he had put into this military industrial corporation, that the owner of the plant had traveled to Baghdad to meet with the father of the VX program."
    He said that if the plant had been allowed to produce VX that was used to kill thousands of Americans, people would have asked him, " 'You had a manager that went to Baghdad; you had Osama bin Laden, who had funded, at least the corporation, and you had traces of [VX precursor] and you did what? And you did nothing?' Is that a responsible activity on the part of the secretary of defense?"

  • Confucious
    107

    Annoying JW Buzzwords...

    by Confucious in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    hey guys, .

    was just wondering what is your worst jw buzzword.

    probably all of us hate the "just leave it in jehovah's hands.

    1. El Kabong
    2. Confucious
    3. astro_girl
  • Richie
    Richie

    You would hear often that you were NOT allowed to do this or that or the other, forever NOT..........

    NOT allowed to celebrate mother's day, father's day, birthday, thanksgiving, New Year's Eve, Christmas, Halloween, Easter, 4th of July, Hanukkah, St. Patrick's Day, Valentine's Day, any holiday.... NOT allowed to join the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, buy Girl Scout Cookies, become a cheerleader, attend class reunion, school prom, play school sports, professional sports, join any organization having ties with Christianity, shop at Salvation Army, Red Cross, YMCA, Military, Police Officer, attend Alcoholics Anonimous, have any job having to carry a gun, cannot salute the flag, national anthem, go to war, learn karate, judo, boxing, any self defense class, vote in elections, school elections, run for public office, campaign for a candidate, can join union, but not participate in its affair, no striking, run for class president, join sororities or fraternities, participate in holiday parties at school, buy lottery tickets, gamble, watch R rated movies or any movies which have some violence, witchcraft, sex or any objectionable contents, cannot work on another church, own a religious picture or statue, smoke or sell cigarettes, pipes or cigars, accept or donate blood, store your own blood before an operation, wear blue jeans or casual clothes to the KH, wear pants or shorts to the KH if you are a female, wear skirts or dresses that are above the knee at any time, wear any type of long hair if you're a man, wear a beard, pierce ears if male, other body parts if female, tattoos, curse words, can't be hypnotized, toast drinks, throw rice at a wedding, play modern wedding songs at wedding, , say "bless you" when someone sneezes, say "good luck", wish me luck, I was lucky, you were lucky, tell ghost stories, practice yoga, own a smurf, eat lucky charms cereal, read horoscopes, promote anything superstitious, say "it was fate" or mention anything to do with "fate", no sky diving, bungie jumping, hang gliding, have Jesus as your mediator or savior, can't partake in memorial of Jesus' death, unless you are part of an elite group of 144,000, woman can't hold a position of responsibility in congregation, wear or own a cross, attend another church, associate with unbelievers, associate with ex-members, associate with disfellowshipped or disassociated persons, talk or greet df'd or da'd persons even if they are part of your "fleshly" family, sue another JW, marry a non-believer, marry in another church or attend wedding in another church, have or attend a funeral in another church, pray, including holding your head down, when a non-believer prays, study other religious articles not from Society, question the Watchtower on anything, have Christian freedom, if you're a woman you can't pray aloud in the presence of men, without covering on your head.......and there are more, many more NO's..........

    Really, you were NOT allowed to .......LIVE.......or........not even commit suicide!

    Richie :*)

  • dorothy
    19

    Canadian Election!

    by dorothy in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    so...are you gonna vote?

    funny story: a few months ago my friend and i were driving down the street.

    i saw a "sister" walking so i told my friend to pull over and give her a ride.

    1. CeriseRose
    2. talesin
    3. jgnat
  • Richie
    Richie

    Yes, I am going to vote for Stephen Harper of the Conservative Party, who shows to have Christian values - he is not trying to pander to the Quebec seperatists by giving them everything they demand and he is also interested in a united Canada and wants to be a strong supporter of the USA as well....

    Richie :*)

  • patio34
    180

    Dateline--Fahrenheit 911

    by patio34 in
    1. social
    2. current

    michael moore is being interviewed tonight on nbc dateline @ 8 est and then he'll also be on david letterman at 11:30 est.. p.s.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/203263p-175365c.html.

    heated exchange at 'fahrenheit'?.

    1. berten
    2. Richie
    3. Golf
  • Richie
    Richie

    Tomorrow is the big nationwide debut of Michael Moore's new movie, "Fahrenheit 9/11". So, as a tribute to the most popular author and film maker on the left, I've decided to post some of Michael Moore's best quotes.

    Enjoy!

    "If someone did this [9/11] to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, D.C., and the planes' destination of California -- these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!" -- Michael Moore On 9/12/2001

    "There is no terrorist threat in this country. This is a lie. This is the biggest lie we've been told." -- Michael Moore, October 2003

    "In terms of marketing (Fahrenheit 9/11), Front Row is getting a boost from organisations related to Hezbollah which have rung up from Lebanon to ask if there is anything they can do to support the film. And although Chacra says he and his company feel strongly that Fahrenheit is not anti-American, but anti-Bush, 'we can?t go against these organisations as they could strongly boycott the film in Lebanon and Syria.'"

    "I would like to apologize for referring to George W. Bush as a 'deserter.' What I meant to say is that George W. Bush is a deserter, an election thief, a drunk driver, a WMD liar, and a functional illiterate. And he poops his pants"

    "Unfortunately, Bush and Co. are not through yet. This invasion and conquest will encourage them to do it again elsewhere. The real purpose of this war was to say to the rest of the world, "Don't Mess with Texas - If You Got What We Want, We're Coming to Get It!"

    "(Americans) are possibly the dumbest people on the planet ... in thrall to conniving, thieving, smug pr*cks. We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don?t know about anything that?s happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing.?

    "DO YOU FEEL like you live in a nation of idiots? I used to console myself about the state of stupidity in this country by repeating this to myself: Even if there are two hundred million stone-cold idiots in this country, that leaves at least eighty million who will get what I'm saying..." -- P. 85 of "Stupid White Men"

    "(T)he dumbest Brit here is smarter than the smartest American". -- Michael Moore At London?s Roundhouse Theater

    "On his North American tour in support of Dude, Where?s My Country, Moore substituted Canadians for Britons, telling audiences that the ?dumbest Canadian? in attendance could surely outwit 'the smartest American.'" -- Moorewatch

    "There's a gullible side to the American people. They can be easily misled. Religion is the best device used to mislead them."

    "I like America to some extent." -- Michael Moore's response after being asked "You do not seem to like the U.S., do you?"

    "Moore wrote he'd once been "forced" to listen to my comments on a TV chat show, The McLaughlin Group. I had whined "on and on about the sorry state of American education," Moore said, and wound up by bellowing: "These kids don't even know what The Iliad and The Odyssey are!" Moore's interest was piqued, so the next day he said he called me. "Fred," he quoted himself as saying, "tell me what The Iliad and The Odyssey are." I started "hemming and hawing," Moore wrote. And then I said, according to Moore: "Well, they're . . . uh . . . you know . . . uh . . . okay, fine, you got me--I don't know what they're about. Happy now?" He'd smoked me out as a fraud, or maybe worse. The only problem is none of this is true. It never happened. Moore is a liar. He made it up. It's a fabrication on two levels. One, I've never met Moore or even talked to him on the phone. And, two, I read both The Iliad and The Odyssey in my first year at the University of Virginia. Just for the record, I'd learned what they were about even before college." -- Fred Barnes

    "White people scare the crap out of me. ? I have never been attacked by a black person, never been evicted by a black person, never had my security deposit ripped off by a black landlord, never had a black landlord ? never been pulled over by a black cop, never been sold a lemon by a black car salesman, never seen a black car salesman, never had a black person deny me a bank loan, never had a black person bury my movie, and I've never heard a black person say, 'We're going to eliminate ten thousand jobs here - have a nice day!'"

    "It was when Moore went into a rant about how the passengers on the planes on 11 September were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men, he claimed, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes, who as we all know take no disrespect from anybody." -- From an article by Yasmin Alibhai-Brown describing a Michael Moore show in London

    "Since September 11, the Bush Administration has used that tragic event as a justification to rip up our constitution and our civil liberties. And I honestly believe that [with] one or two September 11s martial law will be declared in our country and we're inching towards a police state."

    "The Patriot Act is the first step. "Mein Kampf" -- "Mein Kampf" was written long before Hitler came to power. And if the people of Germany had done something early on to stop these early signs, when the right-wing, when the extremists such as yourself (Bob Novak), decide that this is the way to go, if people don't speak up against this, you end up with something like they had in Germany. I don't want to get to that point."

    "The motivation for war is simple. The U.S. government started the war with Iraq in order to make it easy for U.S. corporations to do business in other countries. They intend to use cheap labor in those countries, which will make Americans rich."

    "I think (Bin Laden is under the protective watch of) the United States, I think our government knows where he is and I don't think we're going to be capturing him or killing him any time soon." -- Michael Moore in an interview with Bob Costas

  • Richie
    2

    FoxNews Less Bias, According to UCLA/Stanford Study II

    by Richie in
    1. social
    2. current

    this is a continuation of a subject which was introduced by thichi, who showed us a brilliant and in-depth report of how the general media shows a heavy liberal bias.

    not just a small report or just one viewpoint, but a concerted and unbiased effort toward devising a method of measuring press bias based on the manner how members of congress cite various think tanks in determining which were viewed as conservative or liberal.

    this study is extremely credible and unambiguous, unlike the reactions in the previous post by those who who didn?t read the report and just pushed it aside by saying ?would it be biased for the media to quote one report showing one viewpoint if there are hundreds showing the opposite??

    1. Richie
    2. dubla
  • Richie
    Richie

    The Economics of Media Bias It may soon be too costly to lean left.

    A new poll from the Pew Research Center has again raised the issue of liberal bias in the media. A growing body of academic research at top universities supports it. Unfortunately, those in the major media still don?t get it and are unlikely to change their behavior, resulting in further declines in ratings and circulation.

    Liberal bias is a tiresome subject, I know. We have been hearing about it for at least 30 years. Although those who work in the media continue to deny it, they are having a harder and harder time explaining why so many viewers, readers, and listeners believe it.

    This is the point of the Pew study. Whatever the media think about themselves, there is simply no denying that a high percentage of Americans perceive a liberal bias. The credibility of every single major media outlet has fallen sharply among conservatives and Republicans, while falling much less among liberals and Democrats.

    This has affected viewing habits. Conservatives have drifted away from those outlets they perceive as most biased, which has contributed heavily to an overall decline in viewership. Among all Americans, those who watch the evening network news regularly have fallen from 60 percent in 1993 to just 34 percent today. Among Republicans, 15 percent or less report watching the evening news on ABC, CBS, or NBC.

    One consequence is that conservatives are gravitating toward those outlets that are perceived as exhibiting less liberal bias. These include Fox News, talk radio, and the Internet. Ironically, academic studies view these not as conservative, but as objective. Apparently, the effect of having a rightward tilt only has the effect of moving ?conservative? outlets to the middle, owing to the extreme left-wing bias of the dominant media.

    An interesting study in this regard was recently done by Tim Groseclose of UCLA and Jeff Milyo of the University of Chicago. They devised a method of measuring press bias based on the way members of Congress cite various think tanks. By looking at their rating on a liberal/conservative scale based on votes, they were able to determine which think tanks were viewed as conservative or liberal. They then looked at how often these think tanks were cited in the media.

    The conclusion of the Groseclose-Milyo study is unambiguous. ?Our results show a very significant liberal bias,? they report. Interestingly, they found that the Internet?s Drudge Report and ?Special Report? on Fox News were the two outlets closest to the true center of the political spectrum, despite being widely viewed as conservative.

    Groseclose and Milyo also look at the political orientation of journalists relative to the population. They note that just 7 percent of journalists voted for George H.W. Bush in 1992 versus 37 of the voting public. This means that journalists are more liberal than voters in the most liberal congressional district in the U.S., the 9th district in California, which contains the city of Berkeley. Even there, Bush got 12 percent of the vote, almost twice his support among journalists.

    The curious question is why the media remain so persistently liberal. Economic theory says that conservative news outlets should have come into existence to serve that market. However, Prof. Daniel Sutter of the University of Oklahoma points out that there are severe barriers to entry into the news business that make it very difficult to start a new newspaper or television network, thus allowing liberal bias to perpetuate itself.

    Another answer comes from a study by Prof. David Baron of Stanford . He theorizes that profit-maximizing corporations tolerate liberal bias because it allows them to pay lower wages to liberal journalists. By being allowed to exercise their bias, they are willing to accept less pay than they would demand if they were in a business where bias was not tolerated. Conservatives are perhaps less willing to pay such a financial price.

    Writing in the summer issue of The Public Interest , Prof. William Mayer of Northwestern suggests that conservatives have adopted talk radio, which is overwhelmingly conservative, as an alternative news outlet. In other words, a key reason for the popularity of people like Rush Limbaugh is that they provide news and information not available elsewhere, not just conservative opinion.

    This helps explain why liberal talk radio has been such a dismal failure. Listeners are not getting much they can?t already get in the dominant media. In Prof. Mayer?s words, ?Liberals, in short, do not need talk radio. They already have Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, and Tom Brokaw ? not to mention NPR.?

    The dominant media is finally starting to realize that it has an economic problem from having a perceived liberal bias, even though it steadfastly denies any such bias. Editor & Publisher , an industry publication, is so alarmed that it has begun a study of the problem.

    ? Bruce Bartlett is senior fellow for the National Center for Policy Analysis.

  • Richie
    2

    FoxNews Less Bias, According to UCLA/Stanford Study II

    by Richie in
    1. social
    2. current

    this is a continuation of a subject which was introduced by thichi, who showed us a brilliant and in-depth report of how the general media shows a heavy liberal bias.

    not just a small report or just one viewpoint, but a concerted and unbiased effort toward devising a method of measuring press bias based on the manner how members of congress cite various think tanks in determining which were viewed as conservative or liberal.

    this study is extremely credible and unambiguous, unlike the reactions in the previous post by those who who didn?t read the report and just pushed it aside by saying ?would it be biased for the media to quote one report showing one viewpoint if there are hundreds showing the opposite??

    1. Richie
    2. dubla
  • Richie
    Richie

    This is a continuation of a subject which was introduced by ThiChi, who showed us a brilliant and in-depth report of how the general media shows a heavy liberal bias. Not just a small report or just one viewpoint, but a concerted and unbiased effort toward devising a method of measuring press bias based on the manner how members of Congress cite various think tanks in determining which were viewed as conservative or liberal.

    This study is extremely credible and unambiguous, unlike the reactions in the previous post by those who who didn?t read the report and just pushed it aside by saying ?would it be biased for the media to quote one report showing one viewpoint if there are hundreds showing the opposite?? Of course, this liberal critic would not show the other reports, as expected. Then another person reacted negatively by saying ?Fox is biased towards Republicans ? watch it for 5 minutes as it shows you that much? clearly showing that this person did not read the report either and unable to debate the statistics of the study but preferring to marginalize these findings by saying something that has no bearing at all on the subject.

    The last comment on that thread was typical of a leftist liberal mindset, who just doesn?t have an understanding what it means to debate an issue intelligently and he says this ?maybe we get fed up of listening to the lies spewed out by you righties? After this last post, it was not possible to continue the thread, as when you press ?reply?, it was taken away and did not function anymore. That?s the reason why I continued this thread by ThiChi?..

    Generally speaking, the elite media believes that the majority in this country (USA) ? white Christian Americans ? are prone to oppress the minority. And the elites firmly believe that not much has changed in the last 50 years; that white Christian-Americans must be kept in check, or they will violate minority rights. As an example, when federal judges rule that God must be taken out of the Pledge of Allegiance or that the Menorah and the Muslim flag can be displayed in certain public schools but the Nativity scene cannot be ? the elites rejoice; more punishment for the tyrannical majority. Today the special interests are often the ones doing the oppressing: It goes without saying that the elite media will almost favor political candidates that favour high taxes for the ?evil? rich; higher spending on the poor ? even if the programs are wasteful and ineffective ? and more restrictions on corporations, which the elites believe are oppressors as well.

    When you go up against the elite media it is never pretty. For instance, I believe that marriage should be between only a man and a woman and I am against gay marriage, or I am against abortion. Every time, when I make this known, I get scolded and ridiculed: I am branded a bigot, racist, anti-Semite, a homophobe, a fundamentalist or an ultra-conservative or the like. Yet, when others have an opposite viewpoint on these matters, they are hailed as ?liberators? of some kind and are viewed as forward thinking people and yet very few are ?ridiculing? them. It?s similar with my leaning toward being a republican conservative ? I get marginalized and ridiculed often on the basis of what the ?opposer? believes emotionally rather than intellectually as they should. If the opposer has a different viewpoint, then I will respect him and I will never start name-calling or marginalizing the individual, but will debate him/her on the merits of any unbiased current study, from whichever sources they may come?..

    In my next thread I have posted the article "The Economics of Media Bias", which not only confirms the above study but also points to a new poll from the Pew Research Center, where the issue of liberal bias in the media is supported by a growing body of academic research at top universities.

    Richie :*)