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  How Much Damage Would You Assess?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  just as there is no such thing as a christian who worships satan, there is no such thing as a christian outside of the new covenant “for the forgiveness of sins”.

  and he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, drink ye all of it, for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

  - mt.

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  BelisemDeBelimakom

  The deception is deep, there is a diabolical plan.

  WT is practicing deception, right and it is bidirectional. They are trying to put the responsibility for all the evil they have done (and will be doing) on ordinary witnesses, because the Evil method of action requires putting the responsibility on the other side. Perhaps as an effect of being deceived constantly, Witnesses start to like being deceived, and they play their parts in perpetuating this vicious circle of deception. They do not realize that they are exhibiting pride (after their theocratic accomplishments), idolatry (worship of man and man-made things) and vanity (their privileges of service, boasting about the Organization, their "mother"). Fortunately, Jesus is not idle, He takes care of each one of us to wake us up.
  

  WT: We didn't say report this many hours, you set it. Some of you said, isn't there more to do, and we provided the opportunity. Construction projects, translation, cleaning, pioneering, these things exist because you asked for them.
  

  WT: We didn't want to make rules that regulate lives so much, you demanded it, you asked us for every detail. Can I wear this dress, can someone serve in high positions if they have a beard, and we answered with directions.

  WT: We said we were imperfect, you made us gods.

  WT: You asked us there should be simultaneous and uniform quality of education in every congregation and land, so we harmonized everything, to prevent different levels of understanding.
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  Romans 10: 9 Simple Salvation - Not So Fast Says WT.

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "if you confess with your mouth that jesus is lord and believe in your heart that god raised him from the dead, you will be saved".

  - romans 10: 9. i find it interesting that this simple requirement for salvation has been a specific target of wt since their beginning.. first, jw's call jehovah lord, not jesus.

  the fact that scripture calls jesus the king of kings and lord of lords doesn't seem to matter to them.

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  "Put Faith in a Victorious Organization" WT 3/1/79

  by WingCommander in

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  2. friends

  the concept of "the organization" is not new in jw-land.

  it's been around since rutherford's time.

  ray franz is quoted as saying in the first jw expose documentary entitled "witnesses of jehovah" in 1986: .

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  It is interesting to note that they set their starting date back to the time when the Israelites came out of Egypt. They see themselves as an extension of the nation of Israel. They have nothing to do with Jesus and/or Christianity.

  An organization that has survived 3,500 tempestuous years is surely worthy of examination. Wherein lies the strength of this organization? Why should we put faith in it today? Articles starting on pages 12 and 20 supply the answers(w79 3/1 p. 2)
  

  GOD’S visible, earthly organization came to view with the establishing of the 12 tribes of the Hebrew people as a nation with a theocratic government over them in the year 1513 before our Common Era. There was no democratic voting for this government. The Liberator of that people from death-dealing slavery in ancient Egypt was the One who decided upon the government. He also set it up. This One was God and in that government he held the supreme power. For this reason, it is called theocratic and its ruler is called a Theocrat! All his subjects are commanded and are rightly commanded to worship him, their governmental Ruler, as their God. This was according to the first two of the Ten Commandments that were declared to the Israelite nation at Mount Sinai in Arabia. (w79 3/1 p. 12 par. 1)

  Now that they are losing members, the solution? They will again try to lure the masses by talking a bit more about Jesus and Christianity, they will masquerade as Christians... make some videos, articles here and there. Just like they did in Russell's time.... When they gain enough power, they will tighten the strings again, and iron fist rule will come.
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  JWs in Norway lost to the state - will not get state support back

  by BelisemDeBelimakom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  translated with google translate:.

  the trial went before oslo district court in january, and now the district court has concluded that the state is acquitted.

  jehovah's witnesses are also ordered to pay court costs of just over nok 1.1 million.. https://www-vg-no.translate.goog/nyheter/innenriks/i/2bljxg/staten-frikjennes-etter-aa-ha-blitt-saksoekt-av-jehovas-vitner-melder-dagen?_x_tr_sl=ka&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp.

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  Translated with Google Translate:

  The trial went before Oslo district court in January, and now the district court has concluded that the state is acquitted. Jehovah's Witnesses are also ordered to pay court costs of just over NOK 1.1 million.

  https://www-vg-no.translate.goog/nyheter/innenriks/i/2BLjxG/staten-frikjennes-etter-aa-ha-blitt-saksoekt-av-jehovas-vitner-melder-dagen?_x_tr_sl=ka&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
  
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  Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

  why don't the jw's do the same?.

  from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

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  BelisemDeBelimakom

  Here is what I have found to these questions:

  How does hellfire work? When did it start? How was it told to Adam & Eve? What was the criteria to go there or not?

  
  From the book "The Forgotten Books of Eden", by Rutherford Platt (1926)

  The First Book of Adam and Eve

  Chapter XLV - Why Satan didn't fulfil his promises. Description of hell.

  
  

  1 Then Adam rose and prayed to God, saying, "See, this fire has separated us from the cave in which You have commanded us to live; but now, behold, we cannot go into it."

  2 Then God heard Adam, and sent him His Word, that said:—

  3 "O Adam, see this fire! How different the flame and heat thereof are from the garden of delights and the good things in it!

  4 When you were under My control, all creatures yielded to you; but after you have transgressed My commandment, they all rise over you."

  5 God said again to him, "See, O Adam, how Satan has exalted you! He has deprived you of the Godhead, and of an exalted state like Me, and has not kept his word to you; but has, after all, become your enemy. He is the one who made this fire in which he meant to burn you and Eve.

  6 Why, O Adam, has he not kept his agreement with you, not even one day; but has deprived you of the glory that was on you—when you yielded to his command?

  7 Do you think, Adam, that he loved you when he made this agreement with you? Or that he loved you and wished to raise you on high?

  8 But no, Adam, he did not do all that out of love to you; but he wished to make you come out of light into darkness; and from an exalted state to degradation; from glory to abasement; from joy to sorrow; and from rest to fasting and fainting."

  9 God also said to Adam, "See this fire kindled by Satan around your cave; see this wonder that surrounds you; and know that it will encompass about both you and your descendants, when you obey his command; that he will plague you with fire; and that you will go down into hell after you are dead.

  10 Then you will see the burning of his fire, that will be burning around you and likewise your descendants. You will not be delivered from it until My coming; just like you cannot go into your cave right now because of the great fire around it; not until My Word comes and makes a way for you on the day My covenant is fulfilled.

  11 There is no way for you at present to come from this life to rest, not until My Word comes, who is My Word. Then He will make a way for you, and you shall have rest." Then God called with His Word to the fire that burned around the cave, that it split itself in half, until Adam had gone through it. Then the fire parted itself by God's order, and a way was made for Adam*.

  12 And God withdrew His Word from Adam.
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  The Governing Body - Both sides of their coin

  by Ron.W. in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how many can you think of.... they speak for god.. it would seem presumptuous to say they speak for god,.

  they are neither inspired nor infallible.. they are god's only channel for issuing truth here on earth.

  they won't be apologising for any errors/falsehoods they have promoted in the past that fail.. congregation members must be quick and apologise for their errors to avoid harsh discipline/disfellowshipping.. when they change a major belief/doctrine you must not complain or criticise them.

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  This is known as "doubletalk" or "doublethink." Doubletalk is use of deliberately ambiguous or confusing language to deceive. This tactic creates confusion, making it difficult for others to pin down the true intentions or positions of the speaker.

  Perhaps this dilemma or uncertainty they are trying to create is a specific technique designed and used to increase dependency on them. Normally, this continous doubletalk (and new lights coming in all the time) is supposed to make people question and wake up after a while, but it is interesting that this is not the case for most JWs. It seems that the deceptive scheme they have set up has a much more complex structure and the double language is only part of it.
  
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  spirit directed organization

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was watching a video about wt and money and the "brother" refers to the "spirit directed organization.

  " he also says they use donations wisely and modestly.

  are the gb so deluded and therefore their followers?

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  Yes, they are guided "by the spirit", but a spirit that is not of God. So it's not a complete lie. Thus they are still living according to the law/works. If it were the true spirit, they would be free (Galatians chapter 5). Hypnosis/ enchantment/spell is so powerful that we didn't see it for decades.
  
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  144 year-old mystery finally solved

  by Tahoe in

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  BelisemDeBelimakom

  Here is how the JW lights were prophesied:

  "But the path of the JW is like the bright strobe light
  

  That flashes on and off until complete vision loss."

  - Proverb 4:18 (NWT)
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  I think circuit overseers should have a job like the apostle Paul

  by forzaitalia in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  am i being mean, thinking that travelling overseers should get a part-time job like paul did, in order to not be a burden to the congregation?

  i wouldn't put my hand up when we were asked to raise it if we were happy to give £50 from congregation funds to the c.o.

  so that he could take his wife out for a meal.

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  BelisemDeBelimakom

  Here is a post of BoogerMan on the subject:

  "Career Christians" ignore these Scriptures

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5940059249836032/career-christians-ignore-these-scriptures
  
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  Real reasons behind this change?

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just a good conversation at home about the hour report change.. we think the change was not impmemented because the gb are such a lovely bunch of old grandpa's having the best in mind for us individuals.. there will be only, and we say only, an organizational reason for it.

  a legal reason, to protect jw.org and it's officials and wealth.. next step?

  maybe selling more kh and when jw hollywood studio's in rampoo are ready a change to tv subscription.. what do you think?

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  In addition to hiding the statistics disaster in the first place, I think this new reporting system will pave the way for each publisher (will be required) to create a jw.borg account and submit their reports from there.