Posts by BelisemDeBelimakom

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

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The fact that the High Priests of the Luciferian Creed on this earth introduced the worship of Satan in the lower degrees of both Grand Orient Lodges and the councils of the Palladian Rite and then initiated selected individuals to the FULL SECRET that Lucifer is God the equal of Adonay, has puzzled many historians and research workers. The Holy Scriptures mention Lucifer only a few times — Isa. 14; Luke 10:18; Rev. 9:1-11. The Luciferian Doctrine however states definitely that Lucifer led the Heavenly revolt; that Satan is the oldest son of God (Adonay) and the brother of St. Michael who defeated the Luciferian conspiracy in Heaven. The Luciferian teachings also claim that St. Michael came on earth in the person of Jesus Christ to try to repeat what he had done in Heaven ... and failed. Because Lucifer, Satan, the Devil — call him what you may — is the father of lies, it would appear that those spiritual forces of darkness deceive as many as possible so-called intellectuals into doing their will here as they did in heaven.
- Pawns in the Game, by William Guy Carr.

William Guy Carr talks in his book about how Gnostics inside Freemasonry believe that the Angel Michael came to Earth as Jesus Christ to defeat Satan as how he had done in Heaven but he failed.

If we connect the dots, it is clear where Russell and the Adventists get their teaching from.

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i'm trying to find out how many jw there were globally in 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927 and 1928. the watchtower of 1926 says that there were 25,000 in attendance at the magdeburg convention for the public address, but the same watchtower say that one the last day of the convention there were 15,000 present, so i assume at least 10,000 were interested persons - non jw.

the watchtower 1955 says: "for this year of 1927 the number in attendance at the spring memorial internationally was 88,544, yet of these only some 18,602 were active as house-to-house kingdom announcers".

these statistics would seem to imply that the majority of jw in 1926 were at the magdeburg convention.

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I highly recommend you to read the book 30 Years A Watctower Slave written by William J. Schnell. He lived in Germany in those years (1920-30s) and worked in important positions for the Organisation. He explains in detail how the pilot application initiated in Germany was adapted to the USA and from there to the whole world.

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2024 GB Update #5

by ukpimo in

let's mine for the next gb update!

it isn't yet on the servers, however the code 1112024014 is to be used for august.

it should be out publicly on the borg website tomorrow.

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In short, a call for preparations for the campaign in September and "very important" reminders about remaining neutral before the upcoming elections. What a timely spiritual fast-food!

Of course, as always, it ends with their own product adverts.

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Members of congregation know it’s not true

by Mikejw in

we have lonely old folks and even some not so old.. they know the gb are not who they claim to be.. but they stay in the congregation because they are lonely.

i wonder what percentage of jws this is the case, i would guess a lot.

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BelisemDeBelimakom

They all have something in common. All that needs to be done is for these people to come together, as often as possible!

If you can encourage (or plant the seeds in their minds) them to organize friendly meetings in such a way that elders are not alerted, they could motivate each other, share their observations, disconnect from the hypnosis and who knows, they may leave the congregation en masse.

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The true pronunciation of God's name....

by Kosonen in

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i found a very interesting video by a jewish biblical scholar about how to correctly pronounce jehovah.

it's not yahweh as other scholars claim.. https://youtu.be/4vgxmmbst8w?si=yq7ggwstkpnd3f18.

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Refuting the name Yehovah by Biblical Hebrew Scholar, Dr. William Barrick

https://youtu.be/jar1KQhG5dU?si=0_LsMAi6tHEn9yMY

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How Much Damage Would You Assess?

by Sea Breeze in

just as there is no such thing as a christian who worships satan, there is no such thing as a christian outside of the new covenant “for the forgiveness of sins”.

and he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, drink ye all of it, for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

- mt.

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The deception is deep, there is a diabolical plan.

WT is practicing deception, right and it is bidirectional. They are trying to put the responsibility for all the evil they have done (and will be doing) on ordinary witnesses, because the Evil method of action requires putting the responsibility on the other side. Perhaps as an effect of being deceived constantly, Witnesses start to like being deceived, and they play their parts in perpetuating this vicious circle of deception. They do not realize that they are exhibiting pride (after their theocratic accomplishments), idolatry (worship of man and man-made things) and vanity (their privileges of service, boasting about the Organization, their "mother"). Fortunately, Jesus is not idle, He takes care of each one of us to wake us up.

WT: We didn't say report this many hours, you set it. Some of you said, isn't there more to do, and we provided the opportunity. Construction projects, translation, cleaning, pioneering, these things exist because you asked for them.

WT: We didn't want to make rules that regulate lives so much, you demanded it, you asked us for every detail. Can I wear this dress, can someone serve in high positions if they have a beard, and we answered with directions.

WT: We said we were imperfect, you made us gods.

WT: You asked us there should be simultaneous and uniform quality of education in every congregation and land, so we harmonized everything, to prevent different levels of understanding.

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Romans 10: 9 Simple Salvation - Not So Fast Says WT.

by Sea Breeze in

"if you confess with your mouth that jesus is lord and believe in your heart that god raised him from the dead, you will be saved".

- romans 10: 9. i find it interesting that this simple requirement for salvation has been a specific target of wt since their beginning.. first, jw's call jehovah lord, not jesus.

the fact that scripture calls jesus the king of kings and lord of lords doesn't seem to matter to them.

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"Put Faith in a Victorious Organization" WT 3/1/79

by WingCommander in

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the concept of "the organization" is not new in jw-land.

it's been around since rutherford's time.

ray franz is quoted as saying in the first jw expose documentary entitled "witnesses of jehovah" in 1986: .

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It is interesting to note that they set their starting date back to the time when the Israelites came out of Egypt. They see themselves as an extension of the nation of Israel. They have nothing to do with Jesus and/or Christianity.

An organization that has survived 3,500 tempestuous years is surely worthy of examination. Wherein lies the strength of this organization? Why should we put faith in it today? Articles starting on pages 12 and 20 supply the answers(w79 3/1 p. 2)

GOD’S visible, earthly organization came to view with the establishing of the 12 tribes of the Hebrew people as a nation with a theocratic government over them in the year 1513 before our Common Era. There was no democratic voting for this government. The Liberator of that people from death-dealing slavery in ancient Egypt was the One who decided upon the government. He also set it up. This One was God and in that government he held the supreme power. For this reason, it is called theocratic and its ruler is called a Theocrat! All his subjects are commanded and are rightly commanded to worship him, their governmental Ruler, as their God. This was according to the first two of the Ten Commandments that were declared to the Israelite nation at Mount Sinai in Arabia. (w79 3/1 p. 12 par. 1)

Now that they are losing members, the solution? They will again try to lure the masses by talking a bit more about Jesus and Christianity, they will masquerade as Christians... make some videos, articles here and there. Just like they did in Russell's time.... When they gain enough power, they will tighten the strings again, and iron fist rule will come.

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JWs in Norway lost to the state - will not get state support back

by BelisemDeBelimakom in

translated with google translate:.

the trial went before oslo district court in january, and now the district court has concluded that the state is acquitted.

jehovah's witnesses are also ordered to pay court costs of just over nok 1.1 million.. https://www-vg-no.translate.goog/nyheter/innenriks/i/2bljxg/staten-frikjennes-etter-aa-ha-blitt-saksoekt-av-jehovas-vitner-melder-dagen?_x_tr_sl=ka&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp.

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Translated with Google Translate:

The trial went before Oslo district court in January, and now the district court has concluded that the state is acquitted. Jehovah's Witnesses are also ordered to pay court costs of just over NOK 1.1 million.

https://www-vg-no.translate.goog/nyheter/innenriks/i/2BLjxG/staten-frikjennes-etter-aa-ha-blitt-saksoekt-av-jehovas-vitner-melder-dagen?_x_tr_sl=ka&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

by Sea Breeze in

looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

why don't the jw's do the same?.

from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

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Here is what I have found to these questions:

How does hellfire work? When did it start? How was it told to Adam & Eve? What was the criteria to go there or not?

From the book "The Forgotten Books of Eden", by Rutherford Platt (1926)

The First Book of Adam and Eve

Chapter XLV - Why Satan didn't fulfil his promises. Description of hell.

1 Then Adam rose and prayed to God, saying, "See, this fire has separated us from the cave in which You have commanded us to live; but now, behold, we cannot go into it."
2 Then God heard Adam, and sent him His Word, that said:—
3 "O Adam, see this fire! How different the flame and heat thereof are from the garden of delights and the good things in it!
4 When you were under My control, all creatures yielded to you; but after you have transgressed My commandment, they all rise over you."
5 God said again to him, "See, O Adam, how Satan has exalted you! He has deprived you of the Godhead, and of an exalted state like Me, and has not kept his word to you; but has, after all, become your enemy. He is the one who made this fire in which he meant to burn you and Eve.
6 Why, O Adam, has he not kept his agreement with you, not even one day; but has deprived you of the glory that was on you—when you yielded to his command?
7 Do you think, Adam, that he loved you when he made this agreement with you? Or that he loved you and wished to raise you on high?
8 But no, Adam, he did not do all that out of love to you; but he wished to make you come out of light into darkness; and from an exalted state to degradation; from glory to abasement; from joy to sorrow; and from rest to fasting and fainting."
9 God also said to Adam, "See this fire kindled by Satan around your cave; see this wonder that surrounds you; and know that it will encompass about both you and your descendants, when you obey his command; that he will plague you with fire; and that you will go down into hell after you are dead.
10 Then you will see the burning of his fire, that will be burning around you and likewise your descendants. You will not be delivered from it until My coming; just like you cannot go into your cave right now because of the great fire around it; not until My Word comes and makes a way for you on the day My covenant is fulfilled.
11 There is no way for you at present to come from this life to rest, not until My Word comes, who is My Word. Then He will make a way for you, and you shall have rest." Then God called with His Word to the fire that burned around the cave, that it split itself in half, until Adam had gone through it. Then the fire parted itself by God's order, and a way was made for Adam*.
12 And God withdrew His Word from Adam.