Posts by BelisemDeBelimakom

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

BelisemDeBelimakom

Here is part of Origen's Epistle to Gregory and his Commentary on the Gospel of John:

https://ccel.org/ccel/origen/epistle_john/anf09.xv.iii.ii.vi.html

In this text, Origen explores the theological implications of John 1:3, "All things were made through Him," reflecting on the relationship between the Father, the Son (Logos), and the Holy Spirit. He discusses the hierarchical nature of the Trinity, suggesting that while the Father is uncreated and the source of all, the Logos acts as the intermediary through whom creation occurs. Origen debates whether the Holy Spirit, as part of "all things," was also made through the Logos or is uncreated. He proposes that the Holy Spirit, while distinct, is created by the Father through the Son and holds a unique role in sanctifying believers. Origen also addresses the Spirit's relationship to Christ and examines scriptural passages suggesting a nuanced, functional hierarchy within the Trinity.

Additional reading: Here, Origen critiques Heracleon's interpretation of John 1:3, "All things were made through Him.", who claims that "all things" exclude the highest spiritual realms and that these existed before the Logos. In this context, Jehovah's Witnesses and Heracleon share a similar subordinationist view of the Logos, where Christ is not equal to the supreme God.

https://ccel.org/ccel/origen/epistle_john/anf09.xv.iii.ii.viii.html

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MINA TREASURY SERVICES LIMITED, Ireland, Bethel, the vow of poverty, stocks, dividends and Christ Jesus. Find me the connection

by LaFrancia in

i read this from a european blog.

all the bethelites who are part of it (16 in total) own 631,250 shares (value of each share 1 euro).

the shares will generate a dividend, but the bethelites have all taken a vow of poverty.

BelisemDeBelimakom

Mina .... Hopefully it will be the modern day fulfillment of the writing on the wall for WashTowel.

Mene Mene Tekel Uparsin Interpretation Chart

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JWhub

by Mikejw in

i’m an elder who is pima, i’m amazed how much info is available to all elders.

you can see all private details of every member of the congregation.

i wonder how these sisters feel about their private details being available to these creepy elders?.

BelisemDeBelimakom

@Mikejw

Elders (and upper levels) should only see details of those who have jwpub accounts, right?

I wouldn't be surprised if one day they ask all publishers to open an account to track them more easily.

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

BelisemDeBelimakom

The fact that the High Priests of the Luciferian Creed on this earth introduced the worship of Satan in the lower degrees of both Grand Orient Lodges and the councils of the Palladian Rite and then initiated selected individuals to the FULL SECRET that Lucifer is God the equal of Adonay, has puzzled many historians and research workers. The Holy Scriptures mention Lucifer only a few times — Isa. 14; Luke 10:18; Rev. 9:1-11. The Luciferian Doctrine however states definitely that Lucifer led the Heavenly revolt; that Satan is the oldest son of God (Adonay) and the brother of St. Michael who defeated the Luciferian conspiracy in Heaven. The Luciferian teachings also claim that St. Michael came on earth in the person of Jesus Christ to try to repeat what he had done in Heaven ... and failed. Because Lucifer, Satan, the Devil — call him what you may — is the father of lies, it would appear that those spiritual forces of darkness deceive as many as possible so-called intellectuals into doing their will here as they did in heaven.
- Pawns in the Game, by William Guy Carr.

William Guy Carr talks in his book about how Gnostics inside Freemasonry believe that the Angel Michael came to Earth as Jesus Christ to defeat Satan as how he had done in Heaven but he failed.

If we connect the dots, it is clear where Russell and the Adventists get their teaching from.

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How many JW in the 1920's

by xaminewt in

i'm trying to find out how many jw there were globally in 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927 and 1928. the watchtower of 1926 says that there were 25,000 in attendance at the magdeburg convention for the public address, but the same watchtower say that one the last day of the convention there were 15,000 present, so i assume at least 10,000 were interested persons - non jw.

the watchtower 1955 says: "for this year of 1927 the number in attendance at the spring memorial internationally was 88,544, yet of these only some 18,602 were active as house-to-house kingdom announcers".

these statistics would seem to imply that the majority of jw in 1926 were at the magdeburg convention.

BelisemDeBelimakom

I highly recommend you to read the book 30 Years A Watctower Slave written by William J. Schnell. He lived in Germany in those years (1920-30s) and worked in important positions for the Organisation. He explains in detail how the pilot application initiated in Germany was adapted to the USA and from there to the whole world.

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2024 GB Update #5

by ukpimo in

let's mine for the next gb update!

it isn't yet on the servers, however the code 1112024014 is to be used for august.

it should be out publicly on the borg website tomorrow.

BelisemDeBelimakom

In short, a call for preparations for the campaign in September and "very important" reminders about remaining neutral before the upcoming elections. What a timely spiritual fast-food!

Of course, as always, it ends with their own product adverts.

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Members of congregation know it’s not true

by Mikejw in

we have lonely old folks and even some not so old.. they know the gb are not who they claim to be.. but they stay in the congregation because they are lonely.

i wonder what percentage of jws this is the case, i would guess a lot.

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BelisemDeBelimakom

They all have something in common. All that needs to be done is for these people to come together, as often as possible!

If you can encourage (or plant the seeds in their minds) them to organize friendly meetings in such a way that elders are not alerted, they could motivate each other, share their observations, disconnect from the hypnosis and who knows, they may leave the congregation en masse.

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The true pronunciation of God's name....

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

i found a very interesting video by a jewish biblical scholar about how to correctly pronounce jehovah.

it's not yahweh as other scholars claim.. https://youtu.be/4vgxmmbst8w?si=yq7ggwstkpnd3f18.

BelisemDeBelimakom

Refuting the name Yehovah by Biblical Hebrew Scholar, Dr. William Barrick

https://youtu.be/jar1KQhG5dU?si=0_LsMAi6tHEn9yMY

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How Much Damage Would You Assess?

by Sea Breeze in

just as there is no such thing as a christian who worships satan, there is no such thing as a christian outside of the new covenant “for the forgiveness of sins”.

and he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, drink ye all of it, for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

- mt.

BelisemDeBelimakom

The deception is deep, there is a diabolical plan.

WT is practicing deception, right and it is bidirectional. They are trying to put the responsibility for all the evil they have done (and will be doing) on ordinary witnesses, because the Evil method of action requires putting the responsibility on the other side. Perhaps as an effect of being deceived constantly, Witnesses start to like being deceived, and they play their parts in perpetuating this vicious circle of deception. They do not realize that they are exhibiting pride (after their theocratic accomplishments), idolatry (worship of man and man-made things) and vanity (their privileges of service, boasting about the Organization, their "mother"). Fortunately, Jesus is not idle, He takes care of each one of us to wake us up.

WT: We didn't say report this many hours, you set it. Some of you said, isn't there more to do, and we provided the opportunity. Construction projects, translation, cleaning, pioneering, these things exist because you asked for them.

WT: We didn't want to make rules that regulate lives so much, you demanded it, you asked us for every detail. Can I wear this dress, can someone serve in high positions if they have a beard, and we answered with directions.

WT: We said we were imperfect, you made us gods.

WT: You asked us there should be simultaneous and uniform quality of education in every congregation and land, so we harmonized everything, to prevent different levels of understanding.

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Romans 10: 9 Simple Salvation - Not So Fast Says WT.

by Sea Breeze in

"if you confess with your mouth that jesus is lord and believe in your heart that god raised him from the dead, you will be saved".

- romans 10: 9. i find it interesting that this simple requirement for salvation has been a specific target of wt since their beginning.. first, jw's call jehovah lord, not jesus.

the fact that scripture calls jesus the king of kings and lord of lords doesn't seem to matter to them.