Posts by DATA-DOG

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Circuit Overseer to Answer My Questions + Concerns...or Not

by Research in

hello all, i'm 'researching', a jw who is in the first steps of taking a look at their beliefs.. i've semi-recently (about a couple weeks ago) heard about the sexual abuse cases (pennsylvania attorney general’s investigation request) and then the arc in 2015. this lead to a deep investigation, which lead to many questions arising.

a jw friend of mine suggested i be careful (due to apostates) and ask the brothers.

so i typed up my questions + concerns and emailed an elder my mother has known for a long time.

DATA-DOG

Who’s the “friend” that your Mom is willing to defend by ignoring criticism? Jeehoober Gawd??

Maybe Jeehooby-Doob wants his organization cleaned up and he’s keeping track of who refuses to help?? Maybe you should ask her about THAT....?

DD

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Circuit Overseer to Answer My Questions + Concerns...or Not

by Research in

hello all, i'm 'researching', a jw who is in the first steps of taking a look at their beliefs.. i've semi-recently (about a couple weeks ago) heard about the sexual abuse cases (pennsylvania attorney general’s investigation request) and then the arc in 2015. this lead to a deep investigation, which lead to many questions arising.

a jw friend of mine suggested i be careful (due to apostates) and ask the brothers.

so i typed up my questions + concerns and emailed an elder my mother has known for a long time.

DATA-DOG

Lol. Actually there was a WT article in the not too distant past ( 2 years?? ) that hinted towards the possibility of “Satan” misleading even the chosen ones.. 🤔

Makes me wonder if the real owners of the WTBTS are ready to cut the GB loose as sacrificial lambs if necessary.

DD

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News Reports are "Apostate Lies"

by truth_b_known in

with the most recent investigative news report show entitled "the witnesses" i noticed a number of posters whose family members are pimi refer to such shows as "apostate lies.

" even the governing body (possibly loesch) made such a statement (possibly on jw broadcasting).

i was thinking of how to reply to such a statement.. first, ask "who is the apostate?

DATA-DOG

I don’t think they hate pedophiles. I think they 100% fear the pedo-database being public because there are WT heavies on that list. The current policies were put in place by a group that includes Ted Jaracz who flatly denied to comment on the matter of child abuse while still alive.

I believe the GB were trying to shield themselves from legal action long ago, or trying to keep from bringing reproach by keeping things in house. They probably believed the big A was coming soon and their band-aid measures would work long enough. Here we are in 2020, a future that they could never imagine.

We have to remember their historic view on pedophilia. They viewed it as a “sin” not a crime; a sin that they could handle as God’s chosen ones. It wasn’t until very, very recently that they called pedophilia a crime, and just look what it took to force that “new light.” We can’t forget that sobering fact.

DD

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Circuit Overseer to Answer My Questions + Concerns...or Not

by Research in

hello all, i'm 'researching', a jw who is in the first steps of taking a look at their beliefs.. i've semi-recently (about a couple weeks ago) heard about the sexual abuse cases (pennsylvania attorney general’s investigation request) and then the arc in 2015. this lead to a deep investigation, which lead to many questions arising.

a jw friend of mine suggested i be careful (due to apostates) and ask the brothers.

so i typed up my questions + concerns and emailed an elder my mother has known for a long time.

DATA-DOG

Well, ....see you back here in a year.

DD

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Brazil: Watch Tower claim raid on premises unlawful

by Antonio_Madaleno in

in september 2019, the branch of jehovah’s witnesses and a number of kingdom halls in são paulo brazil were raided by the police, in search of documentary evidence of criminal activities relating to child sexual abuse.

the jehovah’s witnesses claim that the raid was unlawful.

below is a translation of the court of justice determination.

DATA-DOG

The ARC, lol. Those poor bastards.. Who was delusional enough to send those two dingbats?? We’re the the #1 choice to represent the ORG???

DD

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Do you believe the Bible is the inspired word of God ?

by smiddy3 in

if you answer yes to that question ,may i ask which bible are you referring to ?

and why would god have a different number of bible books for different parts of the world.?.

is he partial to different ethnic groups ?.

DATA-DOG

The Bible is “true” from a certain point of view. Jordan Peterson has some interesting comments about the Bible. The problem we have now is that certain groups have become possessed by an ideology which is based on accepting the Bible as the literal/inerrant word of “God.”

DD

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Unwritten, congregational 'rules'

by Thetruthhurts in

what were some of yours?

the big one in our hall was no frontal hugs!

these were generally thought of as inappropriate, only side hugs should be given between sisters and brothers.

DATA-DOG

In my congregation we kept a strict watch on any sister who seemed unduly interested in grabbing a microphone while commenting...😛

A big “guideline” that had to be followed, making it a rule.. ( Omg, I went around and around on this with idiot Eldubs.. ) was getting 10hrs a month in field circus, every month for 6 months to a year to be considered exemplary. No averages allowed.. you couldn’t get 20, then 5, then 8, then 12, ect.. you had to be “visible” in field circus.

We has a lot of older brothers who couldn’t always do that, and some with depression or wives with depression, but guess what they could do?? Mow the lawn, cleaning the lawn, clean the bathrooms, pick up literature, work the literature counter, give talks last minute, vacuum the KH, organize territories, run microphones, ect.

ALL the shit jobs month after month after month after year after year, only to hear, NOPE... not exemplary.. Yet an old-old ex-MS was reappointed because he was old and it encouraged him even though he couldn’t do anything..

So why not appoint those “lesser” ones and encourage them. Maybe they are never Eldubs, or never even give a public talk..So what?? Maybe their roles never change, just the title?? So what?? Maybe they’re never going to be Eldubs?? Who cares??

It never made sense and I started to wonder if maybe, just maybe...the field service/hourly requirement was just another method of controlling people and making them feel terrible so that they would continually chase the carrot of spiritually the GB dangles in front of them.

DD 🤔

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King David's Three Choices

by Jehalapeno in

editor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.

these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.

“these are the choices the lord has given you.

DATA-DOG

Lol! What a nutter..

DD 🤪

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Why the Oxygen Special will not work like we think it will...

by HiddenPimo in

within the very documentary is a reason i think that jw's for the most part will not wake up even if they watch this program.

the one lady actually saw as her family sat behind the abuser in court supporting him despite the established fact that he had abused their very own child.. this shows how deep the indoctrination is.

i am not saying that some won't wake up, but the majority will carry on, not even because they think these things are lies but because they will look past that at all costs to side with jehovah.

DATA-DOG

I don’t think any of us can say exactly what the effects will be. There’s never been anything like this, or the statue of limitations being lifted, or anyone like Irwin Zalkin or Trey Bundy.

There’s never been information available on the internet like today, or a way to spread information like we have with Social Media. If someone said ten years ago, “ A Lawyer will march up to the new headquarters of the Watchtower to serve the Governing Body with a court summons..”, we would not have believed it.

Who could imagine the JWs leaving the city and making a Billion dollars while doing so? Who could imagine the GB making a special presentation/interview featuring Jared Kurshner and glorifying JW Real Estate???

The GB and their Lawyers will spin and lie, and those who benefit from the system will continue to lie to themselves and everyone else, as well as the most indoctrinated who fear reality.

Yet, we can’t forget that all it takes is for a tiny switch to go off in the minds of the rank and file; the switch that makes them believe the GB speak for God. Once that barrier is broken, the possibilities are endless. Once the GB lose the trust of the rank and file it’s all over, and this could very well happen.

How did we all get here?? We had doubts, maybe for years. Then we suffered injustice at the hands of Elders ( look how they acted in the Oxygen documentary) or the Elders refused to act, leaving everything in “Jehovah’s hands.” There wasn’t half the shit going on 10 years ago as there is now, and every year that goes by is one more year the GB’s prophesies fall flat. That’s one more year that JWs bury their parents, get older, experience reality and have the real world kick their asses. All the while the dirty laundry keeps piling up.

DD

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For those of you who've watched the Witnesses documentary, let's suppose for a moment that...

by My Name is of No Consequence in

for those of you who've watched the witnesses documentary, let's suppose for a moment that the org was forced to make their database of abusers available to the courts.

if this database is as detailed and meticulous as it is claimed, how in the world could the org (in its present form) survive that?

assuming they don't go bankrupt after all of the new abuse claims, would they go underground, shut down the kingdom halls, stop the preaching?

DATA-DOG

Here’s what I loved about the documentary:

1) The Steven Lett connection to one of the survivors. I never knew anything about that. It was a shocking as learning that Jaracz was involved in orchestrating the Pedo-database. Just like Jaracz, zero actual fucks given about children.

It makes me seriously wonder if the pedo-paradise has been cultivated purposely ( in the past perhaps ) because past leaders were pedophiles and engineered the current system to protect themselves and here we are today.

2) I loved seeing the rude and unloving manner of all the Eldubs on film. The Bethelites, the best of the best, were mostly rude, also cowardly. Then, the way they made Zalkin and Bundy wait in their vehicle for 45 minutes was insane. What the F were the GB thinking and doing in that 45 minute period?

The Scientology feel was off the charts at Warwick.

DD