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Posts by Emery
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103That does it ! I'm leaving ! ! !
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite inleaving the university with my degree!.
exams are finished and it's just a matter of days before i walk.. i was certainly stressed about doing this.
i'm older than my classmates and armageddon was sooooo close!
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Nice 1975 quote from F Franz, in 1975
by Splash in*** w75 5/1 p. 285 a contrastmissionaries with an urgent, lifesaving work ***.
another speaker, f. w. franz, the societys vice-president, forcefully impressed on the audience the urgency of the christian preaching work.. he stressed that, according to dependable bible chronology, 6,000 years of human history will end this coming september according to the lunar calendar.
this coincides with a time when the human species [is] about to starve itself to death, as well as its being faced with poisoning by pollution and destruction by nuclear weapons.. franz added: theres no basis for believing that mankind, faced with what it now faces, can exist for the seventh thousand-year period under the present system of things.
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A Text Message Exchange
by Emery ini have been in the fading process for over a year now.
nobody has really bothered my wife and me since we've stopped, which i am thankful for.
recently, i've had an old jw friend send me a few text messages relating to business.
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@steve2 - lol, yes we really were just texting. He might of been on his iMac typing through imessage but I surely wasn't. My neck was sore and my fingers were fried that day.
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Candace Conti v Watchtower Society | June 3, 2013 | Respondent's Brief - prepared by Rick Simons | A136641
by jwleaks injw leaks has published the respondent's brief prepared by rick simons in the case: candace conti v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york & fremont congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
(90 pages).
http://jwleaks.org/candace-conti/.
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I'm sure the WTS has some kind of liability policy that will pay for it.
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A Text Message Exchange
by Emery ini have been in the fading process for over a year now.
nobody has really bothered my wife and me since we've stopped, which i am thankful for.
recently, i've had an old jw friend send me a few text messages relating to business.
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@Pyramid God – Thank you. You’re right; most JWs will only parrot what the WT Library CD tells them.
@Giordano – My thoughts exactly. I don’t plan on explaining my reasons any longer. There was a lot of closure after having this conversation with him and that is all I really needed.
@Painted ToeNail – Thank you. Yeah there’s not much more he could do once I took the preaching work argument away from him.
@Hey There – Thank you. That’s essentially what bothered me. I didn’t want him to take my lack of association with him personal. I felt I owed him that especially considering what he and his family had done for me over the years. There are many JWs who are capable of being great long-life friends but only conditionally.
@eyesuse2badub – What are we twins? haha. The “wait on Jehovah” approach is a very convenient thought stopping technique when it’s not used against them. Try using this example on your friend: Say that you started a bible study with a Catholic at the door, it progressed and you managed to show him everything that is wrong with the Catholic religion. Yet, he does nothing and continues being a Catholic because his priest told him to “wait on Jesus” after sharing with him all that is wrong with the church. Now, is your bible study off the hook when it comes to his spiritual fate? Couldn’t anyone from any faith “wait” on their deity to correct things? Is it productive to wait when the answers are already provided for in the bible?
@cultBgone – I agree. I plan on discontinuing the conversation for this very reason. I too noticed his attitude and unwillingness to be open minded.
@AndDontCallMeShirley – I thought the same thing once he said it, but I tried.
@Oubliette – He’s certainly misinformed. It’s sad how predictable JWs are in their debates.
@Iriddle80 – I really wanted to use that scripture from James! However, I didn’t want to feed anymore “apostate” ideas through text message.
@leaving_quietly – Great point! I will use this next time if necessary.
@redvip2000 –Thank you. Funny how they’re all programmed to respond with the same nonsense over and over again. My friend managed to use nothing but logical fallacies throughout his text messages.
@Crazyguy – I agree. I believe he would deny that all JWs exalt themselves and judge others. He would probably blame it on the usual “imperfection” of others.
@BoC – Unlimited texting FTW!
@A.proclaimer – Great points!
@ABibleStudent – I actually plan on saying something like that to him next time we talk, thank you for the advice!
@Ding – I don’t plan on continuing the conversation with him, thanks for the advice!
@OnTheWayOut – I’ve thought about it and I could totally see him doing something like that. Looks like we all go through this very harsh disconnection process at some point. I’m about 90% done with my friendships in the organization. I’ll soon be done with the other 10%, thanks for the advice!
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A Text Message Exchange
by Emery ini have been in the fading process for over a year now.
nobody has really bothered my wife and me since we've stopped, which i am thankful for.
recently, i've had an old jw friend send me a few text messages relating to business.
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I have been in the fading process for over a year now. Nobody has really bothered my wife and me since we've stopped, which I am thankful for. Recently, I've had an old JW friend send me a few text messages relating to business. We were best friends as teenagers, played music together and I was even the best man at his wedding. He is very aware of my inactive status and there have been several conversations where he's tried talking to me about it. I've used the excuse that I stopped going because of some harmful gossip said about my family by the "friends" (which is partially true), however I used it as an opportunity to stop going altogether because of my disbelief. Unfortunately the fading process leaves a bad impression on a lot of JW friendships, especially if they feel you've dropped them over something they had no control over, which is completely understandable. So for me, I have been fighting the urge to tell my friend that I have nothing against him, that I still love him, but I know our friendship will never be the same because of my disbelief. This text message exchange was my attempt at telling him how I really feel while at the same time not going full apostate on him.
I was very passive and avoided trying to "win" every argument. As the saying goes, "a man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still". Also, I stayed away from attacking the organization directly.
The conversation starts off after he finished sharing with me the highlights of the special talk from this past Sunday.
Friend: You are like my brother. You and my family are like the only thing I miss about living in (City, State). You should get out of there and start fresh… get away from bad memories and move on. I was telling my parents the same thing. Its nice living somewhere that no one knows all your past and business and stuff.
Me: Had a team meeting to attend here at work. Sorry again for the delayed response. You’re like a brother to me too. The other day I was listening to our music and embarrassingly enough, I cried like a little baby. You’re one of the most impactful people I’ve had in my life. I learned so much from you. We had a conversation a few months ago and I held back much of what I wanted to say. However, I feel I need to clear the air about my situation and where you stand in my life.
Friend: Gotcha. What’s on your mind?
Me: To be fair to you and respect the theocratic arrangement. I will not go into detail because we are told to keep things that may stumble others to ourselves. Three years ago I began a journey to make the truth my own. During that journey, I wanted to find answers to the questions and theological issues I had problems understanding.
Friend: Okay, I’m listening.
Me: Many of my questions went unanswered. To the point where I couldn’t conscientiously continue going to the meetings. I’ve talked to elders and older ones wise in the faith about it and all they could do is refer me to a couple of Watchtowers (which I already read). I prayed to Jehovah profusely. Cried many times knowing that I will be losing friendships because of it, which is nobody’s fault. I was not bitter at anyone, I only told you that so that I could be left alone. I still go to meetings here and there and I haven’t given up [I said this to protect our fading process]. But I cannot conscientiously go preach one thing when I have reserved doubts about it all. That would make me a hypocrite and a liar. So I slowly backed away from everyone.
Friend: So what belief of ours is it that you feel is a lie?
Me: It’s not that I think it’s a lie. I just didn’t want to preach a belief system from door-to-door when I, myself, am not sure I fully understand it or believe it.
Friend: Ok…so there isn’t any belief in particular that you think is wrong…it’s just that your faith is weak in the organization?
Me: If revolves around the 1919 understanding.
Friend: Ok what about 1919
Me: I’d rather not get into it. It would be WAY too much to text.
Friend: Are you referring to Jesus appointing the faithful and discreet slave?
Me: Some of that. I am not saying that they are wrong, but it just doesn’t’ make sense to me once it’s all laid out. [I said this to avoid attacking the organization]
Friend: Gotcha. The only thing I am going to say is this… and then I will leave you alone about it. You can delve into things that have been in the past and find information about it online that disputes, twists words and twists how things were determined and how they happened but ultimately there is one thing to remember. Faith is proved true by its works. There is no other organization on earth today that is doing what the witnesses do to the extent that we do it.
Me: How do you know that? You were born and raised in ONE organization.
Friend: Ok…I didn’t think you’d pull that card out.
Me: Haha
Friend: But to answer your question. I have looked and done research when I was 18 on other religions. No other religion keeps their places of worship clean from a moral standpoint. No other religion works solely off of voluntary donations. No other religion goes door-to-door like Jesus commanded us to do. No other religion is doing the grand preaching work that Jesus said would be done before the end would come, Matthew 24:14.
Me: I would agree that yes, JWs are performing the commission work to preach. Now here are some facts that I was faced with when I had the same conclusions…
Friend: I don’t need any other facts. The preaching work is the single most important sign and thing that sets us apart and is there to show you the organization is from Jehovah. That is the whole key to everything as far as being able to determine the true religion.
Me: Well if that’s the case, Mormons can say they are the true religion too. I had 2 knock on our door some months back and they notified me that they have over 75k missionaries all over the world. They have over 15 million members and they follow the same commission work Jesus commanded. They also told me that they were the fastest growing Christian denomination in the world. They too have a disfellowshipping arrangement, use Jehovah’s name, and reject the Trinity. Heck, they believe they have an earthly channel to God too. Mormons even have modern day prophets. Now I am not saying their beliefs are all correct…
Friend: So there are Mormons preaching over the whole entire earth?
Me: Yup. I had a long 3 hour talk with them.
Friend: They only preach for about 2 years though and not all of them preach. Only the ones trying to graduate if you will.
Me: Well, why is their work more effective then?
Friend: Who says their work is more effective?
Me: Their numbers.
Friend: We have the largest circulating magazine in the world and the 3rd for that matter. I don’t think it has anything to do with numbers man. If you wanna go that route… look at the Catholics.
Me: But you just said that the preaching work is key towards determining the true religion. Those are just magazines. First century Christians used the Torah and word of mouth to preach...
Friend: Again… I don’t think numbers have anything to do with it.
Me: Yeah you can’t go by the numbers.
Friend: But the fact that we have the largest circulated magazine and it’s supported completely by voluntary donations that’s incredible. I can’t tell you the last time I asked for a donation out in service, yet the work is still provided for.
Me: Magazines don’t mean anything if their ultimate purpose is to bring people in.
Friend: Well here are a couple of things…Mormons participate in politics, warfare and holidays. I remember talking to one out in service and he told me that.
Me: Yes, that’s true.
Friend: Also… as far as prophets… we don’t publicize any one Jehovah’s Witness as our prophet. The fact that people know about our early founders is one thing...
Me: The governing body does refer to itself as the Jeremiah class.
Friend: But we don’t go around saying HE is a prophet or anything. We just simply state that they were early bible students.
Me: Okay.
Friend: Well, the bible does state that there would be a slave class that would distribute food at the proper time. They are doing that exact work. So yes… they do claim to be that but the members themselves are not elevated.
Me: Okay well let me ask you this question, because it’s one that has confused me.
Friend: Okay cool. Let’s hear it.
Me: Give me a min here to compose it ha. The faithful and discreet slave understanding is found in Matthew 24:45-47. Jesus speaks about of a slave and what happens to this slave upon his arrival if he finds him doing his will right? Now, as I’m sure you know, Mark, Matthew, and Luke are synoptic gospels, in that, they repeat many of the same stories, parables, and life of Jesus in many of the same sequences.
Friend: Yes
Me: Okay, so the anointed remnant is comprised of this faithful slave CLASS. When I arrived at the same parable in another gospel, Luke, I noticed that there were several slaves listed. Luke 12:47-48 and then again at Luke 19:12-27. However, if the organization is going to be consistent in applying a CLASS to one slave in Matthew 24:45-47, then we’d have to say there is a “ten-mina” class, a “five-mina” class, a “many strokes” class and a “few strokes” class because those scriptures are based on the same parable. So, how do I deal with this issue? I have looked it up and it’s really not all that talked about. Is this simply a parable teaching all Christians to be faithful or a prophetic modern day application to a group of men?
Friend: Well as I’m sure you assumed… I am going to have to do some extensive research on this and read all of these scriptures. Emery, pray pray, pray, pray, read and pray some more.
Me: Haha, trust me, I have prayed. This is something I am very passionate about.
Friend: By the way, I am not going to repeat any of this conversation to anyone because I don’t think you are firmly convinced one way or another. I don’t want people knowing because you may decide to come back… then it would cause a mess. I love you man. I would of course recommend you come back to meetings but I know simply stating that won’t make it happen so here is my secondary recommendation. Set your wife and yourself away from any association, including worldly people, disfellowshipped, regular witnesses, Mormons, potential apostates, online articles, etc. ANY INFLUENCE whatsoever. Set both you and your wife aside with just the bible and study when you can. Read and study, pray fervently MULTIPLE times a day. Try to put any one OPINION from others you’re heard and learned out of your mind and just focus on God’s word and pray to him for help. If you TRULY do that, then you and your wife can maybe come to a decision that is truly your own.
So to keep this already long post from getting any longer, I told him I would do all of that (but not really). I will keep you all posted on how he responds to this challenge, however. What has the organization said to explain this discrepancy away?
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What do you love about being a JW?
by FL_Panthers inas the title says, share what you love about the truth!.
we know that the gb or anything else in the truth is all true and nothing is false!.
love u guys xxx.
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nvm.
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DC Follies: Will SOMEBODY please come to Atlanta? Anybody? Pretty please? Don't make us beg!
by sir82 in"a friend of a friend" applied to go to an international convention this year.. they have not heard anything about whether they were accepted or not.. but recently, they received this e-mail:.
brother xxxxx:.
according to our records, you applied and were approved by your body of elders to be a delegate to international conventions outside of the united states, but were not selected.
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If I were your friend, I would reply with, "Watch Tower, you've been invited to suck my d!#k."
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Jehovah's Witnesses Street recruiting thwarted by "Apostates"
by Watchtower-Free inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fylyfc_0we.
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I respect the efforts but I feel it was very aggressive and untactful. Witnesses don't repond well to be being told how they are wrong, they discover it by being asked questions that lead to irreconcilable answers.
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Qualifications for Gods Sole Channel--interesting article from the meletivivlon site
by Jon Preston inqualifications to become gods channel of communication[this article was contributed by apollos].
the new teaching of the appointment of the faithful and discreet slave has arguably made 1919 an even more important date to jehovahs witnesses than 1914. appendix b1 of the revised nwt bible shows a time line of the message of the bible in relation to gods rulership.
it is of note that the official doctrine of the establishment of gods kingdom in 1914 is not even mentioned only that satan was cast down around that time.. ever since the 1919 doctrine was announced at the 2012 agm, and subsequently published in the july 15th watchtower 2013, the appointment of the slave seems to have become a much more prominent topic in our teaching, and indeed in general discussion among witnesses.. of course we should remind ourselves that this new level of interest really has nothing to do with the date, and everything to do with the nature of the appointment.
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What was taught as truth and "food at the proper time" during the supposed judgment window of 1914-1919 is about 90% abandoned now. If you go back and read the publications of that time period they were preaching worldwide false prophecies. Talk about bringing reproach on Jehovah's name during a time of divine inspection. It truly takes a mentally diseased person to continue believing in the 1919 appointment after learning all that was taught then.