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  But, they're so HAPPY!

  by stillin in

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  you can't deny it.

  smiling and brimming with good cheer.

  is it sort of like the person who buys a lemon of a car and won't admit it?

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  What's the saying? "Ignorance is bliss". That's JW's in a nutshell.
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  Do you blame Jehovah, Yahweh, God, Jesus, etc. for the corruption of the borg?

  by Fading Begins in

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  do you hold god accountable for the corruption of the borg?

  i've noticed there seems to be a bitterness, by some, that includes "god" in the equation, when discussing the borg and their policies, the governing body, elders actions, etc.

  do the borg's transgressions originate with god, or does he feel the same disgust as we do?

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  jeremiah18:5-10

  Once believers become an organization, there's structure. Once there's structure, there's power and authority. Once there's power and authority in a human organization there's corruption. Christianity was set up to be a personal relationship between the believer and God thru Jesus as the one mediator with the help of holy spirit. It never was supposed to be an "organization" as such, God ended that arrangement with the Christ. Now he looks for individuals and evaluates individually. Each person has to take responsibility and action for themselves and each must possess faith for themself. Such faith is uniquely individual in nature while based on Gods Word and his son Jesus. That's the only necessary unifying factor. There's no need for a religious administration or organization. The only purpose served by such is to elevate oneself and to exert power and authority over its followers. Ray Franz expresses such in his book In Search of Christian Freedom. I take a similar position because it makes perfect sense for me, as I still accept the Bible as Gods Word and I still believe there is a God and I also believe in Jesus. To each his own in that regard.
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  Anointed Witnesses - is this a credible site ??

  by *lost* in

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  how do i incorporate text to my post guys ??

  can't copy and paste.. anyway digging around jwn searching for info on anointed and came across link to this web page.

  so i'm assuming it's the wt org.

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  jeremiah18:5-10

  What do you mean by credible? I've read several articles on it and the weekly letters to the GB. They do not appear to be a fraudulent site setup by wtbts. They call the wts out on many topics, specifically the earthly hope and 144000 doctrine. I suggest you read for yourself and decide credibility rather than basing your opinions on the opinions of others. Afterall isn't that the beauty of no longer being trapped in a cult? Just because you read info from other sites doesn't make you a follower or adherent of that site or its writers. I for one enjoy reading info from a wide range of different viewpoints now since I never enjoyed such a privilege while stuck in the wts. Use your own critical thinking skills. While that site isn't anything special, and there's really no such thing as a group with the exclusive rights on the "truth", there are at least some different and refreshing scriptural reasonings in their articles that can help you to open your mind and look at some scriptures and topics differently. Actually that's one of the appealing facets of this site, JWN, the wide range of views and open nature of discussion. If you do read some of their articles I would enjoy reading your thoughts, either for or against.
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses — An Organization?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  jehovahs witnesses an organization?.

  today i added a new article to my blog addressing a particularly dirty trick played on jehovahs witnesses.

  it has to do with watchtowers legal maneuvering to place and keep its harsh religious shunning practice beyond reach of secular law enforcement.

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  Sincere question: if as TD comments, the relationship is basically between individual and their congregation, not parent organization, then would being df just apply to that congregation? Why would other congregations need a letter of introduction or enforce a decision made by another? Couldn't you just start over? Of course we all know you can't because you're on file with the branch, therefore the relationship is with the parent organization and any and all past decisions follow you. Again they want it both ways.
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  tyydyy (TimB) is my cousin

  by jeremiah18:5-10 in

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  this morning searching thru some old threads i came across my cousin.

  i was extremely excited.

  i was especially touched by his threads on finding his brother, my cousin, donnie.

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  jeremiah18:5-10

  This morning searching thru some old threads I came across my cousin. I was extremely excited. I was especially touched by his threads on finding his brother, my cousin, Donnie. I was saddened though to see his last post was 7 years ago. One of his last post activity had to do with apologizing for some comments and requesting not to be banned. I Am curios if he was banned. I've not been in contact with him for 10+ years. Our entire family is fractured and splintered by jw's and exjw's. I so desperately want to reconnect with family like him. I hope he at least lurks still and sees this. If so, Tim I miss you and love you please reach out to me as I have no contact info for you.

  TerryB.
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  POLL: How long did you remain a JW from point of baptism to leaving the KH

  by Terry in

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  i was baptised --1963. left in 1978. fifteen years.

  pre-baptism, another 5 years.

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  Born in, baptized in 1987 at 15, Df'd in 2008 at 37= 22 years
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  Fictious "Universal Sovereignty" Issue Proposed By Watchtower Corporation Is Idiotic

  by frankiespeakin in

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  ok so a big part of the wt corporation ideological structure is the invention of the issue before all creation being "universal sovereignty".. the story goes like this very basically:.

  for untold years jehovah's soverneignty was never challenged, then after so many millions of years jehovahs started his earthly creation with adam&eve being the culmination of that work.

  soon afterwards satan seduces eve to disobey jehovah and thus we have the very first act of disobedience satan slanders god by telling eve god is selfish as to the reason he forbids eating this other wise nice looking fruit adam joins his wife in the rebellion.. god in his infinite wisdom allows this rebellion because this was a challenge to his sovereingty and so he is allowing a reasonable amount of time to let mankind and angels see for themselves that his rulership is better that satan's.. so basically it is like a bet he has with satan or who's rulership is best, and he's allowing time to prove his is far superior.. well if you look at it logically it don't add up.. 1. if god is going to allow satan to prove his point about who's rulership is better why is he alway interfereing and interveining that's unfair.. 2. god goes on killing sprees of people man women and chilldren (not very smart for some trying to prove his rulership is better for people to follow.. 3. god show himself to be jealous (not a good trait for a ruler to endear himself to people).. 4. god's scare people to except his ruler ship.. and i have even more reason to show the whole idea is a made up sham..

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  jeremiah18:5-10

  If the issue of universal sovereignty is real, Satan's rule versus God's rule, and we all have to choose, there is a big advantage for Satan.

  As imperfect humans, we are pre-disposed to sin. To say we have a choice or anywhere close to the same choice as perfect beings is ludicrous.

  Your inclination is to sin (rebel). How can that be a fair opportunity? The sin is held against you, its not overlooked. You are then faced with the choice of keep sinning and die or submit to God and he will forgive you and heal you. Again is sin a choice? Are you choosing to be imperfect? Emphatically the answer is no.

  There isn't any logical or fair way to settle such an issue, its not a level playing field. To gamble with the lives of living thinking feeling beings is disgusting. How could such an act endear either to a person. The picture paints us as nothing but pawns or poker chips in a celestial poker game in which one (God) can change the rules as often and in whatever way he wishes.

  I can't buy in to the universal sovereignty issue as being legit.
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  I'm turning myself in. Lurking elders, are you listening?

  by Eve Deceived in

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  i think it's fitting for my very first post to be a thread on jw.net turning myself in to any lurking elders out there on a witch-hunt to cleanse the congregation so that god's choosen ones can "remain in god's love.

  " so i'm sorry to all you awesome, truthful apostates on this site, but this thread is really intended for any lurking nazis -- i mean, the taliban -- ugh, i mean elders of the world's most "loving" cult religion.. i am an apostate.

  here, i'll save you the trouble:.

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  jeremiah18:5-10

  Welcome Elizabeth. I admire your approach and the clear comprehension of jw relationships.

  The fact is they take the approach that your "real family" is relatedto you, not by blood, but rather by spirit.

  Therefore I take the same approach. Any family member that cuts me off is not my real family, I consider the people of like faith and mind and spirit to be my family.

  Once you steal the power from the organization from them, what do they have left? No authority, nothing to hold over you.

  Welcome, enjoy your new friends and family. Here you will find acceptance, approval, attention, and appreciation, the things jws don't provide.
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  I'm new, please come and meet me!

  by Julia Orwell in

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  long time lurker, first time poster.

  i'm really glad i can join your community because i've been in the wts for the last 14 years and now i'm on my way out and it's great to meet like-minded people!.

  about me: i started learning jw ways when i was in my teens.

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  Welcome aboard. Its always good to have new member, especially one with a brain.
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  Didn't Jesus symbolically give a blood transfusion for all of mankind?

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  jesus poured out his life blood, his soul, on behalf of mankind.

  the wine taken at the memorial of christ's death represents this life, given as a sacrifice to atone for adamic sins.

  jesus said that unless you eat of his flesh and drink of his blood, you have no life in yourself.

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  jeremiah18:5-10

  Brilliant reasoning!!!!