Posts by SophieG

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Hello??

by franticfran in

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friends

i have just joined this website and just wanted to say hello to anyone out there.

i am so nervous,after thirty odd years in the "truth" i feel as though my husband and i have just walked into a room full of smiling strangers and we are just standing here hoping to god someone will come up and speak to us.

scared and excited and hoping to wake up one morning and not wonder what we do now???

SophieG

Hi...welcome!

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not ready to go over to the "dark side"

by nowwhat? in

after spending a lifetime in it, no one is as fed up with the wt as i am.

[my golf game would have been a hell of alot better if i was'nt banging my head against the wall on saturdays!

lol ] this forum has taught me alot more than i thought to confirm my suspicions.

SophieG

I grew up in the Borg and dedicated 20 years to it.

When leaving it and faced with the question? “Where is there else to go”, frankly the first response I got from my gut was: Why DO I have to go anywhere? I already had a life, it was just constrained by a set of beliefs. Now I just need to EXPAND IT!

Of all the “Basic Bible Truths” that you've listed, for me the jury is out on most of them, because I am allowing myself to be open to all sets of beliefs now. The first thing I wanted to immerse myself into was reading the Bible without JW slant and I feel like (no offense meant) that some of those you’ve listed have that.

I think as JWs our ‘bible trained conscience’ has a huge and biased slant. I certainly don’t feel caught in the middle. I live my life more so now according to choice and consequences. I make good choices because they give good results. I am beginning to think I really don't need a "guide book" or a "religion to steer my life. I think we can be guides and our lives will reflect that. There IS something I think to go to and it’s a personal journey, where one ends up will be different for each person.

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''Spiritual high(TM)'' after an a$$emb£y anyone?

by punkofnice in

i remember having been to a convention or a$$emby for however many days and when i came back i didn't want to go back to work/school because i felt on a buzz.. what was that all about????.

any ideas?

anyone else get that?.

SophieG

LOL!

Days of acute visual and auditory over-stimulation! Mental and emotional numbing...you were going INSANE and just did not know it!

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''Spiritual high(TM)'' after an a$$emb£y anyone?

by punkofnice in

i remember having been to a convention or a$$emby for however many days and when i came back i didn't want to go back to work/school because i felt on a buzz.. what was that all about????.

any ideas?

anyone else get that?.

SophieG

I dunno Punk, are you sure you were not just HIGH on cult over-indoctrination over a period of days? LOL!!!

Now I am looking back introspect…I was always EXHAUSTED by Sunday and I always had to take Monday off after a 3 day. I would work the Monday-Thursday…get up early Friday-Sunday. The desire not to go back to work was probably because I WAS TIRED and did not want to be around ANYONE, definitely not because of any spiritual high what-so-ever.

I was sad it as over because...because of seeing all my friends...but happy because I wanted to sleep!

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Are you still on a self improvement quest?

by Monsieur in

on another thread i asked about this life being all there is.

if so, what would you consider important to have done or accomplished before you die so that 'your time alive' would not have been a total waste?.

if you haven't done it, or accomplished it, are you currently on a quest to do so?

SophieG

…jgnat: Love the painting… the word ethereal comes to mind. Very zen.

I was just thinking about this just yesterday:

In 24 months I have left a long time career, my husband, my religion, and a longtime emotional situation. Most of these situations evolved on their own. I FEEL like all that has happened is some kind of shift in my life because I asked for “happiness” a few years ago. I had a near death experience and it changed my perspective on my life.

So I think that the shift is allowing me to definitely become a much more improved version of myself, almost like a ”Sophie 2.0” LOL!
I am becoming the person I have always wanted to be. I have crammed a lot into my life so far…I am being more selective about what experiences I want to have.

I feel so much more spiritual, smarter and wiser and happier and I feel like everything IS possible.

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Future Baby-Mama in a Rage!

by SophieG in

sosoconfused mentioned this vaguely in his thread and it upset me... i asked him to post where i could find the information, trust me i went looking!

now lets read this:.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20121215/view-of-in-vitro-fertilization/.

SophieG

Data-Dog: “I really don't see why they would purposely teach this.”

I am sure that it’s been happening and they have to address it, possibly because judgmental JWs are throwing stones at those who have made a decision to do IVF.

I recall having a conversation with a sister over this when I was in and at the time her answer was similar and seemed so profound to me. But I was young then, with hopes that I would be able to have a child with my JW hubby. That never happened.

Fast forward to today and now my life has changed and I am looking at the possibilities. I instantly RECOGNIZE the logic that this should be a matter of conscience.

And think about it, later they can spin it as: “Wait for the New System when your body is perfect and you can have children. You will be blessed because you have remained faithful to Jehovah.”
And then you’re beyond child-bearing age when your butt wakes up and you realize Paradise is not coming!!! W-T-H???

I would cut a GB Member!!!

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Has anyone seen this? The old guys in NY give their thoughts on IN Vitro fertilization

by wha happened? in

so giving your fertilized egg to a surrogate is pornia.

SophieG

Soso: What is the point of telling 3 guys about it who will in turn put your biz in the street?

I WOULD NOT TELL THESE FOOLS JACK!!!

I guarantee, if I was in and my hubby and I wanted a baby and I could not carry full term, I would keep my mouth SHUT and go about my business. These fools are out of freaking control.

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Has anyone seen this? The old guys in NY give their thoughts on IN Vitro fertilization

by wha happened? in

so giving your fertilized egg to a surrogate is pornia.

SophieG

JGNAT posted a link to my meltdown yesterday over this issue. I ended up having to take something for the anxiety is caused yesterday. I was so angry. I am not even in the CULT anymore and this really upset me. I can’t imagine if I was in and read this…I would have cussed out somebody at the KH!

I mentioned it to a relative of mine who is an elder and he had not heard about it and he was kind of taken aback. Then I mentioned it to a female relative who is in and she gave me the: “we don’t always understand Jehovah…blah-blah-blah…. I wanted to strangle her. I told her Jehovah must be a psychopathic monster, to be this insensitive and lead these 8 nuts in Brooklyn to publish this! What they should have done is stayed out of it, minded their own business and left it up to folks conscience and Jehovah. Of course my relative had all her kids without any complications and I was shocked that she was not empathetic towards her fellow sisters who deeply desire to have children.

These are the WTBS criteria on which they call IVF Porneia broken down:

1. A woman’s eggs might be fertilized with sperm from a man who is not her husband. She might then allow the resulting embryos to be implanted in her.

2. A husband’s sperm might be used to fertilize the eggs from a woman who is not his wife. The husband’s wife might then allow the resulting embryos to be implanted in her.

3. Embryos placed in a wife’s womb involve neither her eggs nor her husband’s sperm.

4. A married couple’s eggs and sperm are fertilized outside the womb by IVF. The resulting embryos are then implanted in the womb of a surrogate, a woman who carries the baby and delivers it for them.

#4 REALLY bothers me because so many women cannot carry a child to full term. It’s robbing these people who are in, who want to have a child. I have a friend right now who is in and when I told her this she was CRUSHED.

It is insensitive, intrusive and totally out of line. But if they want to stick to “Mosaic Law” and quote from it I feel it’s fair game if my GF tells her hubby to impregnate their housekeeper and insist that holy spirit lead her to do so, just as in the case of Abraham, Sarah and Hagar. OF COURSE…THAT’S NOT PORNEIA!

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Future Baby-Mama in a Rage!

by SophieG in

sosoconfused mentioned this vaguely in his thread and it upset me... i asked him to post where i could find the information, trust me i went looking!

now lets read this:.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20121215/view-of-in-vitro-fertilization/.

SophieG

Ding: you are right...I should not get angry at God.

But then again why the heck does he allow these imbeciles to wreck his name?

If I were God I would have busted their chops a long time ago...which unfortunately leads me right back to thinking praying to my pinkie toe would give me better results in life!

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Future Baby-Mama in a Rage!

by SophieG in

sosoconfused mentioned this vaguely in his thread and it upset me... i asked him to post where i could find the information, trust me i went looking!

now lets read this:.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20121215/view-of-in-vitro-fertilization/.

SophieG

Used2beme: Thank you…It’s become an obsession…to be a mom.

Diana: I am sharing this jewel with all my non-jw friends. They think it’s nuts.

Sooner: Does that beverage have whiskey in it!?! LOL

wasblind: Grrrr

Maninthemiddle: YES!!!

I wonder how they would react to a modern day Abraham/Sarah/Hagar situation? AND YES! I would stand up and say: “Jehovah told me he was going to bless me with a child. This is the way he answered my prayer!!!! “ What was that? Say that again…I have commited porneia. REAAALY!!! Well I thought that all these accounts were examples….

Ok let me stop….
Do you see why I am have a hard time believing in God. L He comes across crazy!