Posts by rmayer32

in my very first post i mentioned meeting the above and promised to relate my experiences - such as they are.. actually i have had a nasty chest cold/virus all wk and have not really felt well so please forgive the delay.. the meeting with ewart chitty took place in the virgin islands circa 1980/1981.

i believe he was on an expenses paid trip to the islands,nothing official,and the local cong.persuaded him to give a talk.the brother who introduced him made a big play of having a member of the governing body visiting us but before starting his talk chitty stated that he had recently stepped down as a member of the gb.. he then proceeded to give a run-of-the-mill unremarkale discourse.the next day he spent in field service with us and came to my house for lunch.at lunch he made a statement that left me thunderstruck at the time.. he said,"i don't get to anything like five meetings a week.i havn't for years.

" i remember it with crystal clarity - i can assure everyone that is an exact quote.i remember thinking that if any member of the congregation had said that he/she would have been in line for some serious counseling.yet here was a recent member of the gb saying that he didn't get to all the meetings.he seemed amazed when i told him that i actually made it ok to all of them.. that afternoon i worked with him in field service and was struck by something that seemed to hit me whenever i worked with a so called "bigwig" whether co,do or gb.

rmayer32

That is an interesting story.. Looking forward to the Franze story.

-Rick

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Evolution is not the answer.

by sleepy in

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evolution is not the answer to most of the important questions about life and how it got here.. if current evolutionary ideas are true they only tell a very small part of the story.. simply how random changes to animate and inanimate things can be mechanicly selected by sutible enviroments and prosper in them.. there is still lots about us to explain.. what is the source of the matter in our universe, what caused the "big bang"?.

what is consciousness and how does it work?.

what causes the fundemental forces and how do they work?.

rmayer32

While I don't personally believe in Evolution to the answer for humans as I do believe in God and Jesus Christ, I must say that it is a very compelling argument they bring forth but one that as mentioned earlier does need a lot more explanation for it all to come together.

-Rick

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We thank you Jehovah

by ballistic in

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when the new song book "sing praises to jehovah" was introduced from the great publishing company in 1984, it was clearly and frankly admitted (suprisingly) that some of the old songs had to be dropped due to the fact they were copied from other religions and some even infringed copyright in this regard.

however, from an early age "we thank you jehovah" had always reminded me of "god save the queen" and this song was not dropped and continues to be regularly used down to this day.. i realise in later life that the two songs are indeed similar in a musical sense.

you can almost play one song on top of the other in places and the starting chord structure is identical.. also, the two songs both seem to have a certain feeling of reverence which i am not sure is conjured up by the timing and the harmony alone or by the meaning the songs have in terms of their lyrics and use.. it turns out the british tune has been used many times over by different people and even by other countries, as european visitors to britain in the eighteenth century noticed the advantage of a country possessing such a recognised musical symbol - including germany, russia, switzerland and america (where use of the tune continued after independence).

rmayer32

I remember all the witnesses that used to play those damn tapes of those songs in their cars out in service. (puke) I used to wonder how you could drive down a highway listening to that and stay awake..

-Rick

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When JW's Can't Pigeon Hole A Situation....

by Englishman in

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......it puts them into a state of disequilibrium.. take, for example, the case of someone who has been disfellowshipped from the organisation.

heads will nod knowingly and wisely if that person should:.

do drugs.. become alcoholic.. become promiscuous.. such is the price paid for someone who "turns his back on jehovah".

rmayer32

I know way back when after I da'd myself from what I later heard it raised all sorts of eyebrows when they found out I joined the US Navy.. LOL Suppose I was suppose to just up and die or something for that one. Wonder what they thought when they found out I went to the Gulf War for 10 months.. hehehehehe

Oh well it don't matter what they thought because like stated above they will always bring it back to Satan some how. Good post!

-Rick

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The Boss

by DanTheMan in

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while i was in the borg, i never knew anything about the personality dynamics within the gb.

the idea that it was "jehovah's organization" canceled any curiosity i had about the matter.. since i've become a full-blown evil apostate, my research has led me to believe that, just like any other governmental regime, there is a serious divide in the gb between the liberals and the conservatives.. it is also my understanding that one of the strongest and most influential personalities on the gb is ted jaracz.

and that his influence is a serious impediment to the much-needed reforms in the org.

rmayer32

Reading Ray Franz's Crisis Of Concience is making me see exactly what they were and are all about. That book is simply amazing in the deep look that you get into the GB.

-Rick

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The biggest barefaced lie I ever heard!!

by sleepy in

what an absolute barefaced lie!!.

i just looked up a watchtower about "this generation".. i remember studying this, and falling for it!did you?.

w95 11/1 20 a time to keep awake.

rmayer32

Makes you wonder what they'll be saying in 50 more years when the "Last Days" have been going on for way over a hundred years etc.. etc..

-Rick

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The Nephilim - What can I say!

by Matty in

im sure nothing surprises the people who regularly post here.

but what really shocks me now is that as a child i genuinely believed some of the most preposterous, stupid and moronic things ever committed to papyrus.. take the nephilim.

well they were mutants.

rmayer32

hehehe.. I guess you just had to be there.. I totally believed that one literally and without question as well. What a dumbass I was

-Rick

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First 6 Chapters

by rmayer32 in

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i just finished the first 6 chapters of crisis of conscience and even though i've been out of the borg for 13 years and haven't really believed in the teachings etc.. in a couple of years or so all i can really say is damn!.

it is truly amazing what goes on up there in good ole brooklyn and so shameful that so many people are bamboozled (sp) by this group.

anyway, just wanted to post my initial thoughts as i still have half a book to read .

rmayer32

I just finished the first 6 chapters of Crisis of Conscience and even though I've been out of the borg for 13 years and haven't really believed in the teachings etc.. in a couple of years or so all I can really say is DAMN!

It is truly amazing what goes on up there in good ole Brooklyn and so shameful that so many people are bamboozled (sp) by this group. Anyway, just wanted to post my initial thoughts as I still have half a book to read

-Rick