Posts by Roamingfeline

the following quote is one taken from h20 after you claimed on this forum that you weren't posting your "compassion" post in order to incite guilt feelings within this forum:.

i agree that if they feel that something is wrong with rick then they are certainly shooting the wounded - but that is typical cult behaviour - they learnt this as jw's .... they just haven't learnt the compassion they so much desired to see within the organization themselves yet.

in the original post you put "shooting the wounded" in bold letters, effectively showing that you posted that diatribe in order to make people who were denouncing rick and his methods of moderating his forum.

Roamingfeline

That's not the point Jan. You're missing the point entirely, and I believe it is deliberate at this place in time. I ALLOWED you to keep sending me mail. I WAS TRYING TO BE POLITE. I didn't want to HURT YOUR FEELINGS,just like some other people I know who are on your list. But I STILL feel that signing people up to a mailing list is the Utmost bad netiquette and you should cease and desist doing it! Furthermore, I never got that email you referred to regarding being on Simon's.

We are strictly talking about my [email protected] account, of which you are FULLY aware that I asked THREE TIMES last month to be deleted from the list. You are also FULLY AWARE that you didn't remove me from said list until I posted it here publicly that you didn't! I have had at least FOUR people tell me that you did the same thing to them, and some of them are STILL having trouble getting removed from your mailing list. So as the title of this post says, "COME CLEAN!!!"

It's getting to the point where I'm feeling ridiculous having to argue with you in this manner. I didn't say your list wasn't interesting at times. Jan Groenveld, let me make this perfectly clear to you. NOONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THEY ARE NOT ON YOUR LIST, WHEN YOU SIGN THEM UP WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!! You are the one with the responsibility here, so take it and stop this denial nonsense!

I am tired of being polite about it. You're like a steam roller, barreling over anyone who stands up to you, and denying your own responsibility for this situation right and left! I'm done. I think I've made my point, and thanks to Simon coming forward and telling the truth,and several people privately telling me that it happened to them also, I can now let the matter rest, even if you don't admit your wrongdoing. Sigh...... it's a shame you have to take it this far to try to put the responsibility for your actions onto everyone else's shoulders.

RCat

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Right to "Sow the Seeds of Doubt"?

by JanH in

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from time to time exjws may face the question of whether they should do anything to cause doubts in the minds of their jw family or friends.

many argue that these people are happier where they are, inside the organization, and that becoming an "apostate" would cause too many problems to them.

in other words, perhaps "ignorance is bliss.".

Roamingfeline

That was an excellent article, Jan. Thanks so much for posting it. It's a keeper!

RCat

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JanG, come clean!!!!

by Roamingfeline in

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the following quote is one taken from h20 after you claimed on this forum that you weren't posting your "compassion" post in order to incite guilt feelings within this forum:.

i agree that if they feel that something is wrong with rick then they are certainly shooting the wounded - but that is typical cult behaviour - they learnt this as jw's .... they just haven't learnt the compassion they so much desired to see within the organization themselves yet.

in the original post you put "shooting the wounded" in bold letters, effectively showing that you posted that diatribe in order to make people who were denouncing rick and his methods of moderating his forum.

Roamingfeline

Jan, I will type S-L-O-W. The address you were sending your email list info to was [email protected]. Never, EVER EVER EVER was [email protected] subscribed to your list. In fact, I personally NEVER subscribed to your email list. You put me on it without my permission. PERIOD.

Now, my email letters to you were dated in MAY, Jan. You KNEW WHO THE EMAILS WERE FROM, AND THEY WERE WRITTEN FROM THE SUBSCRIBED EMAIL ADDRESS. You didn't need to know WHO I was in relation to THIS FORUM in order to unsubscribe me. No my notes were NOT ambiguous, you just didn't DO AS I REQUESTED. NOW, when I call you on the carpet about it, you are jumping all over the place avoiding the issue!

Now Jan, DO YOU UNDERSTAND that I know you knew to take me off the email list, and I know you knew who ladywolf was and that she/I was asking to be removed from your list, and that it had NOTHING to do with who I am HERE?!? I am trying to point out to you Jan, that yes you DO subscribe people without their permission, and yes you DO fail to remove them from your mailing list when they ask you to POLITELY!
And I am not the only one!

RCat

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Is this a apostate website

by robertK in

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nothin on this website is positive, its all anti-witness!!

it helps nobody and does no good, and is for breaking down not building up, is there any righteous witnesses out there??

?

Roamingfeline

RobertK, I realize that you believe being a JW gives you the inalienable right to judge all creatures, but I have a couple of questions before you condemn everyone here to your own version of hell:

What are you doing on the internet when the GB plainly tells you NOT to be? Don't you believe in following the directions of the "faithful and discreet slave"?

Hypocrite!

RCat

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JanG, come clean!!!!

by Roamingfeline in

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the following quote is one taken from h20 after you claimed on this forum that you weren't posting your "compassion" post in order to incite guilt feelings within this forum:.

i agree that if they feel that something is wrong with rick then they are certainly shooting the wounded - but that is typical cult behaviour - they learnt this as jw's .... they just haven't learnt the compassion they so much desired to see within the organization themselves yet.

in the original post you put "shooting the wounded" in bold letters, effectively showing that you posted that diatribe in order to make people who were denouncing rick and his methods of moderating his forum.

Roamingfeline

Please remove me from your list, Jan. I'm getting wayyyyy too much mail to
handle, and I"m moving to the USA soon. Thanks!
Ms T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Groenveld" < [email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.support.ex-cult
To: "JanG" < [email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 4:49 PM
Subject: Common Psychological Problems of Mind Manipulation

Hi Jan,
Please remove me from your mailing list.. I'm shutting down this
account...getting ready for my move to the USA. Thanks!
T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Groenveld" < [email protected]>
To: "JanG" < [email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:48 AM

If you post them to Tishie's, Simon's, or H2O's new board, I'll get 'em. :-)
T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Groenveld" < [email protected]>
To: "LadyWolf/MsT" < [email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:23 PM
Subject: Re:
> On Thu, 24 May 2001, LadyWolf/MsT wrote:
>
> > We're closing this addy this week.. but I'll let you know when we get
over
> > to the US and are back up and running again.
>
> OK .... jsut needed to know since there are a few things in the wind I
thought
> you may like to be on top of <G>
>
> Jan

Jan, there's all three emails, complete with dates. How the hell you can get "ambiguous" from three separate POLITE requests I would sure like to know! This "not knowing who I was" stuff just doesn't wash. You knew who the emails were sent from, and you knew where you were SENDING the emails. It only makes sense that you should have known to take THAT PARTICULAR email address off your mailing list. Besides that, just the other night in the chat room, you asked me when we were going to the US? That was BEFORE all this was posted, so you knew EXACTLY who I was!!!!

How far do I have to take this to get you to admit you didn't do what was right? And do you admit that I'm not the only one this has happened to? Jan, how deep does this denial problem go?

RCat

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JanG, come clean!!!!

by Roamingfeline in

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the following quote is one taken from h20 after you claimed on this forum that you weren't posting your "compassion" post in order to incite guilt feelings within this forum:.

i agree that if they feel that something is wrong with rick then they are certainly shooting the wounded - but that is typical cult behaviour - they learnt this as jw's .... they just haven't learnt the compassion they so much desired to see within the organization themselves yet.

in the original post you put "shooting the wounded" in bold letters, effectively showing that you posted that diatribe in order to make people who were denouncing rick and his methods of moderating his forum.

Roamingfeline

The following quote is one taken from H20 AFTER you claimed on this forum that you weren't posting your "Compassion" post in order to incite guilt feelings within this forum:

I agree that if they feel that something is wrong with Rick then they are certainly shooting the wounded - but that is typical cult behaviour - they learnt this as JW's .... they just haven't learnt the compassion they so much desired to see within the organization themselves yet.

In the original post you put "Shooting the Wounded" in bold letters, effectively showing that you posted that diatribe in order to make people who were denouncing Rick and his methods of moderating his forum. You claimed in this forum that it was posted "for the newbies".

Also, in the same "Compassion" thread, I brought to your attention that your controlling tactics were proven by the fact that you sign people up to your "email list" without their permission, then when they NICELY ask to be removed, you totally ignore their wishes! I have it on good authority that I am far from the only one you have done this to. When I brought this to your attention, in order for you to possibly do some soul searching and ask yourself if you're not being a bit too controlling like the WTBTS, you came back with some ridiculous answer, about how I should have ASKED you to remove my name from your list in the first place. Jan, it is rude and bad netiquette to add ANYONE to your email list without their express permission or request. Furthermore, I had already stated that I asked you previously THREE TIMES to remove my email from your list, when you came up with that little jewel of an answer. Anyone who may be interested will find that answer in the "Compassion" thread on this forum.

My questions to you are: Why did you claim to have posted that to the newbies only, when your post to H20 proves conclusively that it WAS to incite guilt into former posters to H20?

And why do you sign people up to your email list without their permission, then fail to remove them from it when they request it MULTIPLE TIMES in a nice and polite manner?

Third and last, Why, when I asked you about it, did you try to blame ME and tell me I should have asked you to remove me, when I had in fact already asked you to MULTIPLE TIMES?

RCat

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A short statement on the long shift

by Preston in

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as a sit writing this i will say that i am possibly going through one of the toughest times of my life right now.

i have recently told the elders of my congregation that i have identified myself as "queer" and it has been one of the toughest roads i have ever had to walk.

i am not trying to offend anyone on the boards by telling you this but i feel that it's important to live honestly and my decission to "come out" to people in the congregation is one based on trying to live honestly.

Roamingfeline

(((((((((((Preston)))))))))))) I truly admire your integrity and courage. You had the courage to stand for your convictions. These men are not trained to be compassionate. They are trained in guilt and control tactics. You can prevail, but you have to be firm and one step ahead of them when it comes to the crunch. Do you have relatives still in? Is that why you don't wish to DA? I have a friend who has just gone through the same thing as you have described. He just told them to leave him alone. He hasn't done anything Biblically wrong, and he hasn't been to a meeting since. I can put you in touch with him if you'd like to discuss your situation. Feel free to email me.

RCat

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How far has America come?

by Mulan in

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this was sent to me today.

i thought it was an interesting statement on how far america has come.

) sorry it's kind of jumbled.

Roamingfeline

Well said, Jan H and Seeker. I certainly don't want my children forced to endure prayers to anyone else's God, and I don't even want them forced to acknowledge there is a God if they don't see for themselves that there is one. Let freedom ring, and that includes freedom from religion!

RCat