i just got off of the phone with my wife, and she's been researching my beliefs (catholic) and wants to discuss what she's found.
several subjects like marion worship, sacrifice of the mass etc.
i told her sure i'll discuss them with you, but i get equal time to discuss problems with your religion.. to make a short story long she agreed but she wants me to discuss important things things i fear may put her in jeapordy spiritually.
JG and Sally,
I want to apologize that I did not notice that the subject at hand had changed from respect of Mary to the worship of Mary. While trying to read your posts, the cat chased the dog and the dog knocked over one of my plant stands. So, in the process of putting the dog outside and cleaning up the spilled dirt and trying to read your posts, as well as post to you both, I got rather confused.
Sorry for my confusion.
Robyn
i just got off of the phone with my wife, and she's been researching my beliefs (catholic) and wants to discuss what she's found.
several subjects like marion worship, sacrifice of the mass etc.
i told her sure i'll discuss them with you, but i get equal time to discuss problems with your religion.. to make a short story long she agreed but she wants me to discuss important things things i fear may put her in jeapordy spiritually.
Simple Sally,
When was worship of Mary mentioned in any of these posts? We are talking about respect of Mary. Yes, the belief is she can intercede on behalf of sinners. I see nothing in his post where JG mentions worshipping Mary nor had I addressed the issue of worshipping Mary. Worship of Mary is not the subject at hand. The subject being discussed is the reasoning that Outnfree's Bible student gave for honoring Mary. JG says he has never heard of this "theory" in all his "studies of Mary and all". My problem with not quite buying JG's story is his use of the word "theory" and the fact that he has never heard of this sort of reasoning by the Catholics as stated in Out's post.
Thanks for your response.
Robyn
PS: JG, if you like the Chiefs, I am sure that we will let you take them off our hands for a very small fee.
R
Okay, our posts crossed.....I see now what you are both talking about
Edited by - robdar on 30 August 2002 2:19:30
Edited by - robdar on 30 August 2002 2:21:22
i just got off of the phone with my wife, and she's been researching my beliefs (catholic) and wants to discuss what she's found.
several subjects like marion worship, sacrifice of the mass etc.
i told her sure i'll discuss them with you, but i get equal time to discuss problems with your religion.. to make a short story long she agreed but she wants me to discuss important things things i fear may put her in jeapordy spiritually.
JG,
What has 1 discussion in chat got to do with me being paranoid? Stop trying to divert the issue here. Something is fishy if you in "all your studies of Mary and all" never came across this teaching. By the way, honoring Mary, praying to her in fact, is a church DOCTRINE not a theory. Your use of the word theory also has me doubting about how deep your involvement is in Catholicism. If it is only a theory to you, why waste your wife's time or ours?
'What do I care" If you don't care, why did you respond?
BTW, hun, Kansas City is fine. Funny, that you should remember I live in KC after meeting me once, but you can't remember one of the reasons for a basic doctrine of your faith.
Yes, there is love in Christ,
Robyn
Oh and I just have to respond to this remark you made: "Don't worry I don't judge anyone That's not my Job." And yet you call me paranoid. Sounds like a judgment to me. You are getting pretty defensive for somebody who asks 'What do I care".
Edited by - robdar on 30 August 2002 1:40:28
Edited by - robdar on 30 August 2002 2:6:51
i just got off of the phone with my wife, and she's been researching my beliefs (catholic) and wants to discuss what she's found.
several subjects like marion worship, sacrifice of the mass etc.
i told her sure i'll discuss them with you, but i get equal time to discuss problems with your religion.. to make a short story long she agreed but she wants me to discuss important things things i fear may put her in jeapordy spiritually.
JG: Outnfree said: re: Marian worship? If Jesus' name is the one name by which humankind is to attain to salvation and Jesus obeyed the Law Covenant perfectly and thus obeyed the commandment to honor his MOTHER and Father, why cannot humankind also honor Jesus' mother? Despite my run-on sentence , this is an argument a Catholic Bible student of mine once gave me, and I saw no way to refute her logic.
You replied: Outnfree, In all of my studies of mary and all that that's the first time I had heard of that theory on Mary.
Hmmmm, and you say you are a Catholic? This is one of the first teachings we discussed when I attended Catechism studies with the Catholic Church. Of course, that is only part of their reasoning for honoring Mary. There are other reasons too. Either way, something is fishy here.
Robyn
Edited by - robdar on 30 August 2002 0:50:58
I personally believe that Jesus Christ is the TRUTH and that He is LOVE. It's not just what He taught, it is how He lived His entire Life -- It is His example that we should follow.
Un,
Well said.
Love,
Robyn
i've been reading and posting over at the jehovah's witnesses challenge & critique section of the mega-religion site beliefnet.
the moderator (a jw) is starting to get her undies in a bundle over some of the posts!
i think it would be cool if some others from here would go over there and rattle the cage a little.
Professor,
I read your posts at Beliefnet. They were hilarious. Good job.
Love,
Robyn
If there is no God, why do humans have morals and ethics?
Morals and ethics are man made rules to govern behavior in society. Do not confuse the two with God.
Robyn
of course i know that many of you here do not believe in the bible and its promise of a resurrection.
some of you do not even believe in a creator.
but those of you apostates that still do believe in a resurrection back to life, you would no doubt agree that not everyone of those who are resurrected will come back to life all at once.
Big Tex said:
Main Entry: multiple personality
Function: noun
Date: 1901
: an hysterical neurosis in which the personality becomes dissociated into two or more distinct but complex and socially and behaviorally integrated parts each of which becomes dominant and controls behavior from time to time to the exclusion of the others -- compare SCHIZOPHRENIA, SPLIT PERSONALITY
I'm Friday aka Yadirf aka Lefty
*High fives Big Tex*. You called this one correctly. Those names are not the only ones this woman has used to post here. Her tone is the same in all her different personas/personalites. Some people never change.
Love,
Robyn
not to get too deep of a "scary" subject, but wanted to hear opinions out there.. when taught at the kh, we were always told there is no such things as ghosts, but if there were one it was a demon.
i want to use that as an example to how dogmatic they are about so many things, that if they say it to be one way, then that is the truth period.. as it turns out, growing up, we had a ghost in our house.
don't laugh, it is true.
I see you weren't bold enough to move in for a closer look ,wahahahhahahah I
Heathen,
The funny thing about this photo is that I never saw the mist until I downloaded the picture into my computer. That mist was not visible to my eyes. However, I did get goosebumps while standing there. Well, maybe not quite goosebumps, but a feeling that I can't put a name to. So, I decided to take a picture in each direction around me. This is the only picture that had any sort of unexplainable whatever in it.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Robyn
Edited by - robdar on 28 August 2002 16:27:42
not to get too deep of a "scary" subject, but wanted to hear opinions out there.. when taught at the kh, we were always told there is no such things as ghosts, but if there were one it was a demon.
i want to use that as an example to how dogmatic they are about so many things, that if they say it to be one way, then that is the truth period.. as it turns out, growing up, we had a ghost in our house.
don't laugh, it is true.
I have photos that have all kinds of weird stuff in them, unless you know what it is. This could be a flaw in the film, light slipping into the back of the camera and pre-exposing the film, mistakes made during processing... any number of things.
Teejay,
Your suggestion is valid. However, this is a new digital camera. It does not use film. There was no processing, no pre-exposure, nobody was smoking and it was a clear night, and no light coming in the back of the camera. Yes, it is not human shaped but what does that mean? Not all energy takes human form. This is the first time I have encountered anything like this in all my years of pictue taking.
Thanks for your reply.
Robyn
Edited by - robdar on 28 August 2002 15:57:5
