I have said in some of my recent posts that the articles on child abuse posted at the Watchtower's official website do not contain references to the police or crime. That's not true. I did a search on all of the child abuse articles there, and here's what I found:http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/1993/10/8a/article_01.htm "Your Child Is in Danger!"
"police" Does not occur.
"CPS", "Child Protective Services" Does not occur.
"crime" "Assaults on children are often cloaked in secrecy, so much so that they have been called perhaps the most unreported of crimes."
"Even so, such crimes have evidently spiraled upward in recent decades."
"Often, those who report that they were victims of such crimes are treated with incredulity, not compassion."http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/1993/10/8a/article_02.htm "How Can We Protect Our Children?"
"police" "Or: 'What if (Mommy, Daddy, a minister, a policeman) told you to jump off a tall building?'"
"The police later apprehended the man."
"CPS", "Child Protective Services" Does not occur.
"crime" Does not occur.http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/1993/10/8a/article_03.htm "Prevention in the Home"
"police" Does not occur.
"CPS", "Child Protective Services" Does not occur.
"crime" "Inevitably, then, some of them do seem to get away with their disgusting crimes."http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/1993/10/8a/diagram_01.htm "Common Misconceptions"
"police" Does not occur.
"CPS", "Child Protective Services" Does not occur.
"crime" Does not occur.http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/1993/10/8a/diagram_02.htm "If Your Child Is Abused"
"police" Does not occur.
"CPS", "Child Protective Services" Does not occur.
"crime" Does not occur.http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1997/1/1/article_01.htm "Let Us Abhor What Is Wicked"
"police" Does not occur.
"CPS", "Child Protective Services" Does not occur.
"crime" Does not occur.http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/1985/1/22/article_01.htm "Child MolestingYou Can Protect Your Child"
"police" "'Nobody should touch you there, even if it is a schoolteacher or a policeman.'"
"CPS", "Child Protective Services" Does not occur.
"crime" "The crime and anything that happens as a result of iteven if a close relative goes to prisonis not her (or his) fault."http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1995/11/1a/article_01.htm "Comfort for Those With a 'Stricken Spirit'"
"police" Does not occur.
"CPS", "Child Protective Services" Does not occur.
"crime" Does not occur.Comments: ". . . they have been called perhaps the most unreported of crimes." Yes, and the Society is apparently determined to keep it that way. "Often, those who report that they were victims of such crimes are treated with incredulity, not compassion." Particularly if the victim is a young JW girl and the perp is a JW Elder. "Inevitably, then, some of them do seem to get away with their disgusting crimes." Yes, if the abused victim cannot produce any witnesses who saw it happen, it is indeed inevitable that the Society will let the rapist get away with it.
Again, I was right in saying that nowhere is the reader advised to ever call the police. The only mention of police is as someone who might tell you to jump off a building or touch you where he shouldn't. Oh, and one passing mention of the police arresting someone:
"PLEA to Jehovah Halts Molester's Attack on Youth," declared a headline in the U.S. newspaper The Arizona Republic, on May 5, 1993. The alleged molester abducted the 13-year-old youth at gunpoint, taking him to the perpetrator's apartment. When the youth cried out, "Jehovah, help me!" the molester was shaken and let the boy go free. The police later apprehended the man.Even there, no mention that a good JW should call the police under any circumstances. No mention of the existence of the Child Protective Services. No phone numbers where you can call to get help or counseling. The silence is deafening.
There is some very good advice in these articles. Following it can help prevent child abuse, and that's good. But if the worst does happen, these articles do not tell you the right thing to do. And no, I'm not buying the "rogue elder" theory as an explanation for why they do not.
Robert V Frazier
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Child abuse, crime, and the authorites
by Robert_V_Frazier ini have said in some of my recent posts that the articles on child abuse posted at the watchtower's official website do not contain references to the police or crime.
that's not true.
i did a search on all of the child abuse articles there, and here's what i found: .
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Satanic symbol in the WT literature?
by Nordic intry this site: http://digilander.libero.it/subliminale/t_geova1.htm
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Robert_V_Frazier
I had Google's translation software translate the website. Got a kick out of the rendering of the Revelation book's title: Detection. Its huge apex is near! Yes, I'm sure it is.
Another title lost a lot in translation: the greatest man who never has existed. Oops!
And let's not forget You can living in order always on one earth paradisiaca.
Also those fine magazines, Tower of Guard and You wake up yourselves!
Robert Frazier
Edited by - robert_v_frazier on 9 July 2002 18:54:42
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Horror Movie Survival
by WildTurkey inif the house you're living in tells you to "go away", do so immediately.
never take a bath or shower with a maniac/spirit/demon/creature in the house.
when it appears that you have killed the maniac/spirit/demon/creature, do not check to see if he/she/it is really dead.
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And above all, if any of the above is going down, don't even THINK about having sex. Not even masturbation. Keep your clothes on, and if any of the others in the group take theirs off, RUN! Any form of sex is a death magnet in these situations. Particularly if you are any of the following: 1) young, 2) good-looking, 3) a virgin (either sex) or 4) female.
Unfortunately, if you are a young, good-looking, female virgin, somebody in the group is already thinking about having sex with you, and both of you are as good as dead already.
Robert Frazier
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Absolutism! (good vs evil)
by SpiceItUp ini have noticed alot friends here lately posing the question of things being good and bad etc.
so here is my question.
is there such a thing as absolute good, absolute evil, absolute anything?.
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What about Absolute "truths"...do any of those exist?
Chocolate is good.
Robert Frazier
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The sad truth is, however, that not even the best
by Bleep injust add some more scriptual evidence to help out with this great topic here.
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Bleep, there is some good advice in that article. But it refuses to give the most important information on the subject. Namely, if your child has been molested, from touching the sexual organs right on up through rape, a crime has been committed. The authorities (read: police and Child Protective Services) must be notified immediately. An arrest may well need to be made. It is not up to the parents to decide what happens to the molester. That's for the courts to determine. It's not up to the KH elders, either. They lack the knowledge and the authority to deal with this. It's none of their business. It's not up to the WBTS or its representatives. A crime has been committed. There is a judicial process that must be followed. Failure to do so is also a crime -- obstruction of justice. Failure to report the crime is aiding and abetting the criminal.
They left that out of the article. Why do you think that is?
Robert Frazier
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the 'NEW LIGHT'
by bad_associashun inconsidering the past beliefs of jws & the new & improved current beliefs, some changes i can recall are: the cross, smoking, what is actually 'porneia', the end --->1914, no wait... 1935... we mean 1975... well what we really meant was by y2k... by the time this generation passes away, yada, yada.... also blood issues, organ doning, who will & won''t be resurrected- what others can you all think of?.
my question is this: if jws are led by god's spirit & the org is the true channel god is using, why did the 'light' need to get brighter?
why was is it wrong in the first place?.
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I was told'Do you really think Jehovah would let them run his organisation if they're as bad as you say?' !!!! How the hell do you answer such twisted reasoning??!!
I answer, "Since it's painfully obvious they are as bad as I say, do you really think the organization they're running is Jehovah's organization, or that he has anything to do with them?" In other words, no, I don't think God lets them run His organization. Simple as that.
Robert Frazier
P.S. Isn't the official story that Jehovah runs the Org, not the bozos in Brooklyn? More cognative dissonance.
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Legendary Proverbs
by WildTurkey inpassionate kiss like spider's web, soon lead to undoing of fly.
virginity like bubble, one prick all gone.
man who run in front of car get tired.
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Robert_V_Frazier
These are all lines for Mr. Miyagi in your rejected script for Karate Kid V: the Return of the Next Generation Strikes Back, aren't they?
Good puns in some of them, though.
Robert Frazier
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Where is the proof Jehovahs people abuse children?
by Bleep inhere is what this "special topic" describes with deadly false propaganda.. "a person might ask why we would single out the witnesses in this matter.
as with other fundamentalist cults, the watchtower goes by the bible advice only when it comes to exposing crimes regarding children or anyone else, that there must be two or more witnesses to a crime.
since abuse and molestation are rarely seen by anyone other than the perpetrator and the victim (and the victim will rarely testify against himself), perhaps hundreds or thousands of cases have gone unpunished, and the perpetrator has not been brought to the police, and the congregation has not been told.
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"Very nice info but where is the evidence? I see nothing in the news covering this claim. All I can see is people in the false religions having to take a vow of celibacy and not able to keep that vow."
Well, do you think the entries in that guestbook wrote themselves? I'd say the guestbook is evidence that the problem is real. As for the news, did you see the Dateline NBC program? (Transcript here: http://silentlambs.org/dateline_transcript.htm) Have you seen the Newsweek sidebar? (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=30953&site=3) There will be more stories about this in the media. There will be lawsuits, followed by more media coverage. This is all very far from over.
Robert Frazier
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Where is the proof Jehovahs people abuse children?
by Bleep inhere is what this "special topic" describes with deadly false propaganda.. "a person might ask why we would single out the witnesses in this matter.
as with other fundamentalist cults, the watchtower goes by the bible advice only when it comes to exposing crimes regarding children or anyone else, that there must be two or more witnesses to a crime.
since abuse and molestation are rarely seen by anyone other than the perpetrator and the victim (and the victim will rarely testify against himself), perhaps hundreds or thousands of cases have gone unpunished, and the perpetrator has not been brought to the police, and the congregation has not been told.
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WTS changes to 1999 CD-ROM and past...
by peterstride inhey all,.
if anyone remembers off the top of their head about changes that the 1999 cd-rom from the wts had, vs past cd-roms and/or printed volumes from past awakes/watchtowers....please pass them on to me.. i'll be visiting a friend soon, overseas, that's a loyal jw... we've been talking a bit, and i perceive him to be open minded in that he'll listen to me to a certain extent.
as long as i can provide proof from the wts that they have changed things as their "trooth" changes, maybe he'll open up his mind a bit and realize what's going on.. he's already a bit upset with them, because right after he finished his jail term for refusing millitary service, the wts changed that policy.... cheers,.
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Johannes Greber. See also:
http://www.watchman.org/jw/greber.htm
http://members.aol.com/larrycdoc/spiritualist.html
http://www.towertotruth.net/spiritMediums.html
http://www.premier1.net/~raines/wtgreber.html
http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Greber.htm
http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/occultandwt.htm
Robert Frazier