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  Jehovah's Witness hand bill distribution

  by D wiltshire in

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  here is a handbill i made up that i'm distributing house to house:.

  jehovahs witnesses keep coming to your door because they dont want you to be destroyed at armagedon.. all members believe they belong to the only true religion and every religion except theirs is from the devil, and that god will destroy you for not being a jehovahs witness at armagedon.. you must serve the watchtower and let the watchtower control your life or die eternally that is what the jehovahs witness believe.. .

  you can make three hand bill one sheet of paper to keep the cost down.

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  RunningMan

  I applaud your initiative. However, you may come accross as a little strident for most people.

  May I suggest another handbill that says:

  "Are you tired of being disturbed by unwanted calls from Jehovah's Witnesses? Well, there is an easy solution. Privacy legislation requires all organizations to honor 'do-not-call' requests.

  The next time an unwanted Jehovah's Witness calls at your door, simply make a formal request that they no longer call at your home, or fill out the form on the back of this handbill and mail it to the address listed for Jehovah's Witnesses in your local phonebook.

  It's that easy!"
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  How many hours are falsely reported?

  by badboy in

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  in the january 1 issue of each year, they harp on about how many hours the jws did last year etc etc.. how many hours are possibly falsely reported?.

  discuss,please

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  RunningMan

  Bod: I think you are the one who needs the coffee.

  In your first scenario, the 20 publishers average 10 hours each (10x10 + 9x8 + 1x28), giving an average of 10 hours per person.

  In the second scenario, the 20 publishers put in (10x10 + 9x10 + 1x28), giving an average of 10.9 hours.

  But, guess what, the average has just increased, and now 95% of the publishers are below average. So, to meet the average, all 19 sub performers must increase to 10.9. But, guess what, the average is now (19x10.9 +1x28)/20 = 11.8. So, they must increase again.

  The point is, if no one is below average, the average will continually increase until it is equal to the highest performer. It is a moving target.
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  Where have all the children gone?

  by ozziepost in

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  how did the next line of the peter, paul and mary song go?.

  "long time passing".. children in the witness community here in oz seem to be disappearing.. there was a time when each congregation could expect to count new publishers each year from the children growing up in witness families.

  say 1 or 2 in an average 100 publisher congregation.

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  RunningMan

  Well, first of all, most of the baptisms being recorded are not new converts, they are the children of Witnesses. All you have to do is go to an assembly and watch the baptisms. In my area, the baptisms are between 80 and 90% children.

  The number of children is also decreasing, for two reasons. First of all, Witnesses have always encouraged singleness and pioneering, rather than having children. When my wife and I we having children in the 80's, we were the subject of numerous comments regarding starting a family with the end so near.

  Secondly, JW's have always been poor at retaining their children. Only about half of JW children end up staying as JW's. It takes a certain type of insanity to convert to the Witnesses. This insanity is not necessarily hereditary. So, if you start with a low birth rate, and then cull out half of them, you get a big decrease.

  In addition, the society seems to be mining their baptisms from younger and younger groups of Witness children. It is much more common to see 10 and 11 year olds getting baptised than it was in the past. So, even these lackluster numbers are misleadingly overstated.

  Add to all of this the aging demographic in most western nations and the internet, and you have a recipe for a JW recession.
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  Memorial talk outline link was too much for dubs?

  by Haereticus in

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  last night i posted watch tower observer link about the memorial talk outline onto a finnish forum.

  by noon the thread had about dozen posts.

  i just checked and found out that the thread was being removed.

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  RunningMan

  They probably consider the post to be apostate information. But how can the Society's own outline be considered apostate?
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  How many hours are falsely reported?

  by badboy in

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  in the january 1 issue of each year, they harp on about how many hours the jws did last year etc etc.. how many hours are possibly falsely reported?.

  discuss,please

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  RunningMan

  I report a non-existant family study every month. My wife is also present at this fictional event. So you can deduct 8 hours, 4 rv's, 1 bs, and 2 publishers from the list.
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  1975 Made Easy.

  by Englishman in

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  as i was one of those people who were around during the build-up to 1975, i thought that some of the newer converts might be interested to see how the society arrived at this date with such confidence.. firstly, we need to see how 1914 figures in this.

  we need to appreciate, that although the date 1914 is arrived at retrospectively - that is it was assumed initially to be the date of armageddon, only later was it re-written as the date when satan was thrown out of heaven and jesus ascended to his throne.. the society tied this in with the scripture this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur, assumed that a generation was the average life-span of 70 years, tacked it onto 1914 to arrive at 1984 but also mentioned that some would live to 80 years owing to special strength, then mentioned that this generation would by no means pass away so that quite a wide time slot was available for armageddon to arrive.

  this window of time then provided endless opportunities for jws to be kept in a permanent state of anticipation as various events unfolded.

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  RunningMan

  I must relate a humorous event regarding the 1975 aftermath.

  My cousin's husband is a very righteous elder, one of the pillars of the city congregations. They were married in 1973, just as the Armageddon fever was reaching it's climax.

  About four years ago, there was a WT article that talked about brothers who go beyond the society's teachings. My cousin's husband was conducting, and he made a special point of highlighting the 1975 issue, saying that it never reallly happened. Good Witnesses of the day did not believe that 1975 would be the end.

  Well, about a week later, at his 25th anniversary party, a tape was played. It was an older brother who had written and performed a song for the young couple. At one point in the song, the words were "If you can make it through to 75, you can make it for a thousand years".

  The line hung there like a big motza ball. Everyone had forgotten it for 25 years, but there was the evidence, faithfully recorded. Time stopped for a while. Then everyone ignored it and moved on.
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  VERY COOL JWs!- my trip to Montana!

  by TR in

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  it was a wonderful event that took place on the top floor of the sheraton hotel in billings, montana.. now, this wasn't your typical jw marriage.

  in fact, it wasn't even remotely a jw marriage or wedding.

  a little background:.

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  RunningMan

  It sounds like a breath of fresh air. Completely unfettered from the pharisaic rules surrounding JW gatherings.
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  sure sign of apostasy

  by teejay in

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  there's one sure-fire way to tip off your jw friends and family that you're leaning apostate.... just stop insisting on calling jehovah "jehovah" all the time.

  call him "god" more often.

  talk about raised eyebrows and mumbled conversations over in the corner!

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  RunningMan

  Another way to get JW's goat, is to never say "the truth". Call them the Witnesses, the organization, anything but the truth. It will be a while before anyone notices, but it's worth it.

  I would like to make a short rant regarding JW's logic in using God's name.

  They say that since God is our father, and there are many false Gods, that we should use his name. It shows our love and close relationship. After all, a child wouldn't call their parent by their title (ie Mr. Jones), would he?

  Well, that illustration is stupid. A child normally wouldn't call their parent by their name, either (ie John). They would call him by a familiar title (like dad, or father).

  So, referring to God as God is completely appropriate.
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  370 Bucks

  by metatron in

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  i visited an old congregation i used to go to awhile back.. they posted their accounts report on the bulletin board.. about 370 bucks went to the worldwide work, total.. i can remember 800 to over a thousand bucks for books and magazines.

  being sent to the society per month - about 20 yrs.

  ago.. subtract inflation and it's even worse.. meanwhile, the young boys are out in the parking lot,.

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  RunningMan

  Stealth: Funny you should mention that. I tossed over 100 old WTs and Awakes yesterday. They pile up at at phenominal pace. Thank goodness they're free.
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  370 Bucks

  by metatron in

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  i visited an old congregation i used to go to awhile back.. they posted their accounts report on the bulletin board.. about 370 bucks went to the worldwide work, total.. i can remember 800 to over a thousand bucks for books and magazines.

  being sent to the society per month - about 20 yrs.

  ago.. subtract inflation and it's even worse.. meanwhile, the young boys are out in the parking lot,.

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  RunningMan

  You're right about the donations. I was an accounts servant for several years, and I still occasionally audit the books.

  Our congregation remittance for the worldwide work is usually under $100 per month. It should be well over $500.