Lies, lies , and more lies , how easily they seem to do this, even preparing sometimes to put their lies into writing, when caught out, which inevitably they are, no apologies are forthcoming. They seem to think the one main reason for disfellowshipping is fornication yet Revelation 21 v 8 equates fornication with the same seriousness as lying. In thirty years I have never ever known anyone be disfellowshipped for lying.
KAYTEE
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By The Watchtower's Fruits, You Will Know Them
by minimus inthe society has for years loved to quote the scripture found in mt.
7:20...."by their fruits you will know them".
christendom and its clergy has been denounced because of their "rotten" fruitage.believers of the watchtower truly believe that the fruitage of jehovah's witnesses is the finest available.
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What did swallow Jonah ?
by KAYTEE inany ideas what swallowed jonah, was it -.
2. a great white shark.
3. a whale shark.
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Any ideas what swallowed Jonah, was it -
1. a sperm-whale,
2. a great white shark
3. a whale shark
These are the three guesses, that the Organisation has come up with. There has been no further enlightenment on the subject. If they can't get a simple thing like that right, then why guess at all.
In view of the above, what chance have they got, in getting it right when it comes to deeper prophecies. King of the North, 1914, 607. etc. Were these yet more guesses?
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Charity & Politics Involvement ?
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does anybody know whether a registered charity can also be involved in politics without losing it's charitable status.. thanks, kaytee.
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Does anybody know whether a registered charity can also be involved in politics without losing it's charitable status.
Thanks, KayTee
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Elders to discuss Rand Cam - Info Req'd
by KAYTEE in2 elders are visiting us next friday 11 oct.. i urgently need some information on how i can obtain original documents regarding the rand cam shares.. i have printed out loads of earlier discussions from this forum, (thanks to everyone involved for all the hard work) but i need to have some authentic material on hand, because that's obviously what they are going to ask for.
does anyone have a phone number where i can obtain this information ?
time is running out !
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Hello Gerard,
It has now been two weeks since the elders came to visit. As I mentioned in my earlier post, we gave them both full documented evidence straight from the UN's mouth etc. They were supposed to go away and read it, but we haven't heard a thing from them, Last week the CO was visiting the cong. (we thought that the subject would have been raised with him, but apparently it wasn't) but we still haven't had any response so far.
During the four hour meeting, there was one deliberate question put to us "Have you no faith in the Faithful and Discreet Slave" - this was one of the many times that we brought them back to Deut.18. We really don't know what the outcome will eventually be for us, but we made it quite clear that we would not be returning to the KH until (or when!) all the pertinent questions were answered! ......we feel that they can't be.
Hi Path - we didn't take offence at your comments, in fact they were very encouraging to us, thank you. We are hoping, in some respects, that we too can fade away gradually, as it would allow us to speak to others about the hypocricy and lies in the Org. Whilst we have put-up with over thirty years of lies etc.(by so called spiritual men), we felt grieved when we realised what they are doing to Jehovah. That was the last straw!!
Kaytee & Twinkletoes
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Elders to discuss Rand Cam - Info Req'd
by KAYTEE in2 elders are visiting us next friday 11 oct.. i urgently need some information on how i can obtain original documents regarding the rand cam shares.. i have printed out loads of earlier discussions from this forum, (thanks to everyone involved for all the hard work) but i need to have some authentic material on hand, because that's obviously what they are going to ask for.
does anyone have a phone number where i can obtain this information ?
time is running out !
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Hi Path
Thnaks for your concern and comments
We went into this with our eyes fully opened. But after thirty years of being duped and lied to, we wanted to confront them with this evidence. We fully agree with you about their next move, and realise that it could be curtains for us. But then, who with any principles, wants to belong to this sort of org. (one not based on love but on fear of man)
Edited by - Kaytee on 19 October 2002 16:28:7
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Elders to discuss Rand Cam - Info Req'd
by KAYTEE in2 elders are visiting us next friday 11 oct.. i urgently need some information on how i can obtain original documents regarding the rand cam shares.. i have printed out loads of earlier discussions from this forum, (thanks to everyone involved for all the hard work) but i need to have some authentic material on hand, because that's obviously what they are going to ask for.
does anyone have a phone number where i can obtain this information ?
time is running out !
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Hello OhHappyDay - we have just emailed you but the message has been returned to us. Have you changed your address?
To everyone -
I'm sure that you will all be surprised to know that no issues were resolved at the meeting last week.!! The discussions lasted four hours -
The number one issue (UN involvement) - they couldn't see any problem with the WT being a member for 10 years, event though they admitted that if my wife and I were belonging to a political party for any length of time, we would be disfellowshipped. Many lame excuses were put forward by them.
We discussed paedophilia, and naturally, they had to agree fully with the seriousness of the subject, which anyone in his right mind would do any way!. but they said that they would immediately contact the police if it happened in their cong. but when questioned about this, they admitted that they would contact the Legal dept. first.
Failed prophecies - we showed them the many failed prophecies in one book alone - Live Forever book - one elder said "oh that's old hat now, things have changed since then, the light has got brighter", even though this book was studied only ten to eleven years ago. We asked them - did Jehovah supply the faithful & discreet slave with wrong info and then change his mind later on! No reply. Many times we kept bringing them back to Deut. 18 v 20-22. but they kept on evading the obvious meaning behind this scripture.
Shares in warfare - we had ready, all of the printed information to show them - thanks to all that helped with this, it was very much appreciated. One elder admitted that he was sure that we had got together all legitimate stuff, and that it was the first time that they had come across this information, we had photocopied two sets of all of the info (everything) for them to take away and read at their leisure. They took the copies with them and we are awaiting their response. One elder did liken it, to the paying of taxes, and couldn't see that owning shares is voluntary and controllable, whereas paying taxes is mandatory.
Disassociation - we asked them to show us where in the scriptures do they find this statement. You could have heard a pin drop!!
There was much. much more discussion during the four hours, but nothing was achieved.
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Elders to discuss Rand Cam - Info Req'd
by KAYTEE in2 elders are visiting us next friday 11 oct.. i urgently need some information on how i can obtain original documents regarding the rand cam shares.. i have printed out loads of earlier discussions from this forum, (thanks to everyone involved for all the hard work) but i need to have some authentic material on hand, because that's obviously what they are going to ask for.
does anyone have a phone number where i can obtain this information ?
time is running out !
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Thanks to you all for the information and most helpful advice. My wife (twinkletoes) and I have noted your warnings and concerns - we are very grateful for this, but there are times when you have to apply principles in your life. Leviticus 5:1 puts the onus on us to say something.
One of the two elders had said that he wanted to see all of the info on the UN involvement. The material that we will show to them includes the UN.
We are now in the process of printing out the research that you have done for us. We will let you know the outcome.
WATCH THIS SPACE !!!
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Elders to discuss Rand Cam - Info Req'd
by KAYTEE in2 elders are visiting us next friday 11 oct.. i urgently need some information on how i can obtain original documents regarding the rand cam shares.. i have printed out loads of earlier discussions from this forum, (thanks to everyone involved for all the hard work) but i need to have some authentic material on hand, because that's obviously what they are going to ask for.
does anyone have a phone number where i can obtain this information ?
time is running out !
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2 elders are visiting us next Friday 11 Oct.. I urgently need some information on how I can obtain original documents regarding the Rand Cam shares.
I have printed out loads of earlier discussions from this forum, (Thanks to everyone involved for all the hard work) but I need to have some authentic material on hand, because that's obviously what they are going to ask for. Does anyone have a phone number where I can obtain this information ? Time is running out !
thanks once again
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Do we need elders in the 21st cent.?
by KAYTEE init would appear from scriptures that jehovah is dealing with an organisation???
(i am not defending anything or anyone here) my query is:-.
if we can be accepted as individual christians in the sight of jehovah, please can anyone explain the scriptures in titus and timothy regarding "reaching out for office of overseer",(servants and elders) .
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It would appear from scriptures that Jehovah is dealing with an organisation??? (I am not defending anything or anyone here) My query is:-
If we can be accepted as individual christians in the sight of Jehovah, please can anyone explain the scriptures in Titus and Timothy regarding "reaching out for office of overseer",(servants and elders)
Could it be that the scriptures are referring to the early christian congregations?
Your comments would be appreciated, especially bible-based ones.
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Help a lurking dub with doubts
by undercover ini've been lurking about, checking out some of the evidence against the wtbs.
i am currently inactive but still an approved/baptized member.
i have seen all the 1914/607bce evidence; the blood transfusion quandry evidence; the current child abuse problem evidence and several other things that are damning to the wt doctrines.
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Hello Undercover,
Good to read your posts. My wife and I feel just the way many on this board have expressed themselves. We have been witnesses for over thirty years, and it has been very hard to accept that we have been duped for all of those years. Many, many times making allowances for things which we didn't feel were christian, but what finally did it for us, was finding out about the UN involvement. We actually telephoned the UN in New York - from England, for confirmation of these facts - there is no doubt that the WTBS has been involved in things that it shouldn't be involved with.
We have not been disfellowshipped or disassociated, although we have not attended meetings for quite a few months, the shepherds have not done their job and enquired about us, so we are deciding whether to confront them with all of the information that we have got together. UN, Paedophiles, False Prophecies, Rand Cam (War Involvement) etc.
It must be hard to be alone and having to keep these thoughts to yourself, at least we have each other to discuss points with. We found that reading Ray Franz books and Johanson's Gentile Times to be very enlightening.
Their are many sincere people on this board, and we feel that you will get lots of help
We look forward to reading your next post
kind regards
Mr & Mrs Kaytee