if a paedophile commits a crime against a junior there has to be, according to the watchtower two witnesses for action to be taken.. if one party of a marriage commits adultery, does there have to be the same, (two witnesses) before action is taken?.
if not........................ kt.
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Big Tex,
I could have done with you when I was incarcerated in the Org. I had many a fall out with them, but even when things were black and white, and you thought you had a stone wall case against them, there was a complete lack of strong brothers who had the courage to speak out.
That is why all these unchristian acts will keep happening, the majority of those brothers are either weak, or controlled by fear.
KT
well - i had been wanting to do this for a long time , to question a legal department representative at bethel about the child abuse settlements and jw child abuse, since last year when the news came out about it.
especially since my dad , an elder for years was never aware of it and has on his own taken steps to see that families with children are informed if a former pedophile is in their congregation.
i was curious as to what the current views and policies in place are .
Flipper,
I think one of the saddest things about this whole paedophile thing, is when the victim allows himself or herself to be bought out (silenced).
It would make it so much easier to bring this filthy act within congregations to a head, if many had the courage to stand up for principles rather than money.
It would show them up to be what they are, it might even bring many witnesses to their senses and out of the clutches of these organisations.
KT
PS peace to you as well
if a paedophile commits a crime against a junior there has to be, according to the watchtower two witnesses for action to be taken.. if one party of a marriage commits adultery, does there have to be the same, (two witnesses) before action is taken?.
if not........................ kt.
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Hi Fokyc,
"You have missed an important point, two witnesses are required to take THEOCRATIC action."
Are you saying that the Org. and all the elders are making the rules up as they go along, dear dear dear.
You’ll be saying that they aren’t GLORIOUS ONES next !!!
Princes of that new system, wonderful loving shepherds, and many other depletives they give themselves deardeardear.
How are you my very good friend.
KT
yes i know i tend to post here only when i need advice or have something to rant about .
so i'm living in the uk but leaving very shortly to go back to my home country of india and try my career luck there (what with the recession and all that).
i'll be living with my mum for a while and i am soooo not looking forward to it.
misfitmel,
The way I, and I must say this is only my thoughts would play it .
I would explain that my absence from you "mum" and home has caused me to be a little bit spiritually low, therefor it might be good for me, now I am back, to have a top up, "Scriptural Top up by way of a bible study with you mum present and an elder taking it.
Then through the course of the study you can have a field day asking all the relevant points and queries you have, without getting yourself at loggerheads with your mum, this will allow mum to see things she may not know anything about, it will also let the elder show whether he will lie his way out of questions, your mum might just see him squirm !!
Whatever way you go good luck to you,
Now that’s something we couldn’t say when in the Org.
KT
if a paedophile commits a crime against a junior there has to be, according to the watchtower two witnesses for action to be taken.. if one party of a marriage commits adultery, does there have to be the same, (two witnesses) before action is taken?.
if not........................ kt.
.
If a paedophile commits a crime against a junior there has to be, according to the Watchtower two witnesses for action to be taken.
If one party of a marriage commits adultery, does there have to be the same, (two witnesses) before action is taken?
If not…………………..
KT
as mentioned in my very first port here, i will now give my story and some thoughts i have so far.. i ve been lurking here for about a month, before i registered.
well, a few months ago something like that would be unthinkable for me.. i was raised as a jw, and serve currently as an elder in a congregation.
i have family, also jws.
Inbetween,
Husband of Twinkletoes, glad you arrived on the outside (the truth will set you free) many of the concerns you have I also had.
I did not have any relatives left in, so it was reasonably straightforward for me to make a "quick exit" after 30 years unfortunately, reasons (U.N. Blood U-Turn failed prophecies etc.etc.
Once you realise that Jehovah is NOT backing this Org. you can carry on with your relationship/worship of Jehovah without being contaminated with wts doctrine.
KT
once again our lurking jw friend sent us this latest mind control drivel from the " witness only " watchtower.
remember - this is the information our jw relatives will study in their witness meetings at their watchtower study.
this is what they are currently being indoctrinated with.
flipper,
According to the bible and my understanding of it, the one time Jehovah anointed a "King" was Saul, yet this did not stop David being at loggerheads with him constantly, even ridiculing him from the hill top after entering his tent.
He was not disciplined for this at all
KT
math.
7 v13.... broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it.. whereas narrow is the gate leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.
( this is limited ).
Stephan,
Wow, this sparked off a bit of thinking.
After all those deep comments I am a bit hesitant about pursuing my original puzzlement on the two scriptures, Math and Acts.
Accepting Christ is the gate, sounds good to me, those accepting Christ will go through to life.
Here is my original dilemma, those accepting Christ, will go through the gate to life, But the resurrected ones (good and bad) did not have to accept Christ to get life.
Still puzzled KT
Thanks all Reniaa as well
math.
7 v13.... broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it.. whereas narrow is the gate leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.
( this is limited ).
Stephen,
Stephen, you are quite right, although I "hate" the wts (Org) I still fall in the trap of their brainwashing, I have to erase 30 years of indoctrination tactics !
I must admit I have not seen Jesus as the "gate" very interesting and thank you for pointing that out.
That must be a help for many others as well.
KT
math.
7 v13.... broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it.. whereas narrow is the gate leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.
( this is limited ).
Math. 7 v13…. broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it.
Whereas narrow is the gate leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it. ( this is limited )
Acts. 24 v 15………that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. (this is unlimited )
To me this is a PUZZLE.
The Wts. Say that these ones Math 7 are in a "judgement time"!
How unfortunate they are to be living in that period.
What if they were born, and died in that period ?
Why should they miss out on the forgiveness being applied to the ones who have already died ?
There must be many who have died who are just as bad
Puzzled KT
