Posts by Splash

12. On the issue of flip-flops and the failure of witness message of doom, it maybe due to lack of understanding of the scripture at that time. Every day, new understanding is perceived. Remember 2Peter 3:16

*** Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ***
However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.

*** Ezekiel 13:8-9 ***
Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: "‘For the reason that YOU men have spoken untruth and YOU have visioned a lie, therefore here I am against YOU,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah." And my hand has come to be against the prophets that are visioning untruth and that are divining a lie. In the intimate group of my people they will not continue on.

*** Psalms 107:27 ***
They reel and move unsteadily like a drunken man, And even all their wisdom proves confused.

*** Isa 5:18 ***
Woe to those drawing error with ropes of untruth.

*** Matthew 7:15-16, 18 ***
Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 18 A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit.

*** Galatians 2:18 ***
For if the very things that I once threw down I build up again, I demonstrate myself to be a transgressor.

*** 1 Timothy 4:1-3 ***
However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons, 2 by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies.

*** James 1:7, 8 ***
In fact, let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from Jehovah; 8 he is an indecisive man, unsteady in all his ways.

For me, Galatians is the clincher. They 'prove' by many words and scriptures that something cannot be true, then later revise that to 'prove' by many words and scripture why that has to be true.

Take for example Rev 22:12 (Alpha and Omega) which they have flip-flopped on NINE times going between it meaning either Jesus or Jehovah.
Or the NINE times they flip-flopped between allowing various blood components, yes or no.
Or the EIGHT times they changed whether Mt 24:14 has been fulfilled already or not.
Or the TEN times they've flipped between whether those destroyed in Sodom will be resurrected, yes or no.
Or the THIRTY SEVEN different teachings on who 2Co 11:13 (false apostles) refers to.
Or the ELEVEN changes to whom Jesus is a mediator for.
Or the THIRTEEN changes to who are considered 'ordained ministers'.
They even can't decide if chess is safe to play, saying No, then Yes, then No, then Yes!!
Or the FIVE changes to who is the Lord in Rom 10:13.
Or the FIVE versions of whether Jesus had a beard, yes or no.
What about the EIGHT dates that the Anointed were finally sealed.
Or the TEN versions of what is "the sin that easily entangles us" (Heb 12:1).
They have even changed their mind FOURTEEN times on when the League of Nations was proposed, and that's a researchable date!

Want more? There are a couple of detailed posts in this thread here:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/265257/1/TTATT-in-a-can

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Watchtower Puzzle Spirit-Directed vs Inspired

by FatFreek 2005 in

watchtower puzzle spirit-directed vs inspired.

scan your bible and you probably won't find the term spirit-directed.

i searched for that term online and could not find a dictionary that defines it.

Splash

The Reasoning book has an interesting comment under the chapter heading of 'Bible':

*** rs p. 58 Bible ***
Definition:
Jehovah God’s written Word to humankind. He used some 40 human secretaries over a period of 16 centuries to record it, but God himself actively directed the writing by his spirit. Thus it is inspired by God.

Looking at that definition, there is no differentce between being spirit directed or spirit inspired.

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"Peace and Security"!!!! JW.ORGs best and last chance for fulfilment.

by scotoma in

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in the old revelation book there was a section on the cry "peace and security.. "14 in recent years, politicians have used the phrase peace and security to describe various.

human schemes.

or was paul referring only to a specific event of such dramatic proportions.

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@Faithful Witness

The UN have had that on their website for as long as I can remember, probably getting on for 20 years now.

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Elders and spying eyes

by Crazyguy in

is it normal for the elders in your congregation to spy on you through your wife?

texting her to see whats up with you and what your doing or saying etc.

using her as the in house spy???

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If an elder started texting my wife, I would write a small note telling him to stop, attach it to a brick, then deliver it through his car window.

Let him explain that one away.

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Christendom's Buildings

by lambsbottom in

is it true that jws are buying old churches (from christendom) and then turning them into khs?.

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Splash

What was that Awake! article saying that a dedicated building could not be given a new use, especially religious?

It was in relation to Christendom using Greek buildings at the parthenon?

Memory fails me for the moment.

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Christmas is WRONG!

by thesaint in

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you all should be ashamed of your egotistical selves.

how can you leave god's organization to celebrate the work of satan the devil?

it just goes to show you how jehovah's christian witnesses are correct about how persons will leave the truth for their own selfish desires.. first off, christmas is a pagan holiday and it proves no spirit with the almighty jehovah and his son, the christ.

Splash

I was merely pointing out that Jehovah had recorded for us that he did something benevolent for someone on their birthday, but I can see why you wish to dismiss this as irrelevant.

So tell me, what criteria do you use to decide which ancient pagan customs you embrace or reject?

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Christmas is WRONG!

by thesaint in

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friends

you all should be ashamed of your egotistical selves.

how can you leave god's organization to celebrate the work of satan the devil?

it just goes to show you how jehovah's christian witnesses are correct about how persons will leave the truth for their own selfish desires.. first off, christmas is a pagan holiday and it proves no spirit with the almighty jehovah and his son, the christ.

Splash

What was it that Paul said about holidays?

Rom 14 says not to judge one another if someone considers one day greater than another.

But I guess it doesn't matter what the Bible writers say, it's the WT writers who make the rules today.

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Christmas is WRONG!

by thesaint in

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friends

you all should be ashamed of your egotistical selves.

how can you leave god's organization to celebrate the work of satan the devil?

it just goes to show you how jehovah's christian witnesses are correct about how persons will leave the truth for their own selfish desires.. first off, christmas is a pagan holiday and it proves no spirit with the almighty jehovah and his son, the christ.

Splash

It's funny that you mention Noah's day.

Jehovah caused the water to drain away when? On Noah's birthday!

Why was that? Why was it also recorded for us?

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Just out of curiosity, how many elders (current & ex) do we have here?

by mrquik in

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me.

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Appointed as MS at 24, elder at 28.

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