Unless you need a new build or full refund, you will probably be told that the money isn't meant for small jobs, just save up and sort that yourself.
Oh, and while you're saving up you can't reduce your monthly tithe.
Splash
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37The genius of the new donation arrangement
by thedepressedsoul inive given this new arrangement a lot of detailed thought and how greatly it benefits the wt and how much it puts a strain on each congregation.. first, let me explain how the old arrangement worked.. you had 3 donation boxes in each kingdom hall.
one for worldwide work, one for kingdom hall construction and one for congregation contributions.. the congregation contribution box accounted for about 60-75% of all donations.
the world wide work box probably accounted for 20-30% and the kingdom hall construction for about 5% of the contributions.
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How about FIVE good reasons we can say the Faithful and Discreet Slave is "imaginary"
by Terry inthe catholic church has tradition and magesterium.. protestants have sola fide and sola scriptura.. mormons have 12 apostles and a priesthood.. muslims have the mullahs and the hidden imam.. 7th day adventists have the "visions" of ellen white.. jehovah's witnesses have the mouthpiece of god; i.e.
fds or faithful and discreet slave.. .
all these religions have something in common--mystical links to justify their own authority!.
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Oh Terry! You are out of date with your teachings!!
Ref you points:
1. For a start, there is no longer a slave 'class'.
2. The slave only came into existence in 1919.
3. There was no slave in 1918, unclean or otherwise.
4. The slave is not the remnant, just the GB.
5. OK, we can agree on this.
You're just not keeping up with the chariot!!
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Nice 1975 quote from F Franz, in 1975
by Splash in*** w75 5/1 p. 285 a contrastmissionaries with an urgent, lifesaving work ***.
another speaker, f. w. franz, the societys vice-president, forcefully impressed on the audience the urgency of the christian preaching work.. he stressed that, according to dependable bible chronology, 6,000 years of human history will end this coming september according to the lunar calendar.
this coincides with a time when the human species [is] about to starve itself to death, as well as its being faced with poisoning by pollution and destruction by nuclear weapons.. franz added: theres no basis for believing that mankind, faced with what it now faces, can exist for the seventh thousand-year period under the present system of things.
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Found another, largely unreferenced, quote pertaining to 1975:
If you lived during all this hype, what would you think this means "in terms of real freedom and liberation from God's viewpoint"?
*** w72 8/1 pp. 462-463 par. 2 Cooperating Fully with God’s Appointed Ones ***
2 It is not our purpose to discuss chronology here, yet feel free to ask any of Jehovah’s witnesses to show you from the Scriptures the evidence that we are just a few short years away from the completion of six thousand years of man’s existence on earth, and ask them what they think this means in terms of real freedom and liberation from God’s viewpoint. They will be happy to share this information with you.
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Do Current WT writers review Early Russell Writings? Obviously not.
by objectivetruth infrom the book "the divine plan of the ages" - c.t.
russell 1886. as a forcible illustration we mention the sodomites.
surely, if we shall find the restitution of the sodomites clearly taught, we may feel satisfied of the truth of this glorious doctrine of restitution for all mankind, spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets.... unto the jews of capernaum he said, "if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in sodom, it would have remained until this day.
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I think the full list of changing views on this is:
WILL THE MEN OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH BE RESURRECTED?
1879 YES WT July, 1879 p.8
1952 NO WT 6/1/52 p.338
1965 YES WT 8/1/65 p.479
1967 NO WT 1/7/67 p.409
1974 YES Awake! 8/10/74 p.20
1988 NO WT 6/1/88 p.31
1988 SOME WILL Insight On The Scriptures, Vol.1, p.616 (released June 17th 1988)
1988 YES Insight On The Scriptures, Vol.2, p.985
1988 NO Revelation - Its Grand Climax p.273
1988 YES You Can Live Forever... p.179 (Old Edition)
1988 NO You Can Live Forever... p.179 (New Edition)Note: Insight vol. 2 p. 985 says it was the cities that underwent everlasting destruction and not the people, as if the houses, roads and buildings committed the sins!
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Beware of Mediums
by Splash infrom 1920 wt publication "talking with the dead":.
p. 116 materializations.
"these materializations occur by a power which the demons posess of being able to draw out of the mediums body connected streams of the cells of which her body is composed, and then changing the form of these living cells into any desired appearance.
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Just to remind us that we really should be reading these older pubications:
*** w57 5/15 pp. 314-315 par. 13 Appreciating Basic Christian Publications ***
How can all these people get the things they have missed?
Only by studying earlier publications and digging back through previous issues of The Watchtower kept in the library at your local Kingdom Hall.
There is much in the way of spiritual riches and aids toward mature knowledge in these earlier publications, and their study is most certainly worth your time.Splash
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Helpful Scriptural References - importance of Trust in God not Man
by objectivetruth inpsalms 118:8 - it is better to take refuge in jehovah than to trust in humans.. the scriptures are clear that jesus is the truth - the way - the life : john 4:6 - jesus said to him: i am the way and the truth and the life.
no one comes to the father except through me.
1 timothy 2:4 - whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.
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Yet the WT maintains:
*** w01 1/15 p. 7 How We Can Cultivate Virtue ***
Jehovah has provided his Word and Bible-based publications.*** w08 4/15 p. 7 par. 19 Repudiate "Valueless Things" ***
Elders do not go beyond the things that are written in the Bible. And by extension, they do not go beyond the Bible-based counsel written in the publications of the faithful and discreet slave.Splash
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Helpful Scriptural References - importance of Trust in God not Man
by objectivetruth inpsalms 118:8 - it is better to take refuge in jehovah than to trust in humans.. the scriptures are clear that jesus is the truth - the way - the life : john 4:6 - jesus said to him: i am the way and the truth and the life.
no one comes to the father except through me.
1 timothy 2:4 - whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.
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Good thoughts and scriptures, thanks for sharing.
On this comment
John 11:25 - Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life.the greek word here translated 'exercises faith' is more often rendered 'believes in' or 'has faith in'.
The WT and NWT like to skew thngs into being a works based religion, therefore 'exercising' suits their agenda very well, even if it's not what Jesus said or meant.
(Incidentally the same is true for John 3:16 "For God loved the world so much he gave his only begotten son in order that everyone 'exercising faith'..." In the NWT, most surrounding translations of the same greek word are 'believe', which is how other Bibles consistently render it.)
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A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement
by TTATTelder inthe gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.
you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?
well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.
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We got the first bit about the SKHF (KHCW) box being discontinued with immediate effect.
The announcement concluded with "there's more information to follow"
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A Text Message Exchange
by Emery ini have been in the fading process for over a year now.
nobody has really bothered my wife and me since we've stopped, which i am thankful for.
recently, i've had an old jw friend send me a few text messages relating to business.
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While a fade is often the easiest because it's gradual and 'under the radar', it has its' own inherant difficulties, namely
1. It takes months or years
2. You are never really free from future contact and efforts to bring you back.An alternative which deals with both of these but requires dealing with conflict at the outset, is to come out and say that you do not wish to disassociate yourself, but you will not be going to meetings any more.
You will have to argue your point that not going to meetings is not synonymous with disassociation, but there are things you can say to remove the pressure a bit, like "I want to leave a way open for me in the future, but I can't do this right now". Don't get drawn in, don't accept a visit from two elders, just insist you have done nothing wrong but want to stop the meetings for now.
There will be efforts to help you, but deal with these and you can be free in a month.
Another option combines this break with a fade.
Start by fading and at the first attempt to 'help' you, instigate the break.Splash.
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Scan about Spirit Mediums & Demons with Tentacles
by notsurewheretogo ini'm sure there was a discussion on here about the wt publishing a book that says demons manifest themselves as tentacle like creatures and attach themselves to the spines of spirit mediums.... i'm sure i had bookmarked that discussion but can anyone enlighten me?
i've searched for a while now and cannot find it....
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