Posts by Splash

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jw logo vs people who wear a cross. IDOL WORSHIP IS STILL IDOL WORSHIP

by goingthruthemotions in

last week out in service i saw an elder wearing a jw.org pin.

and thought.....hmmm isn't this idol worship?

what a double standard.....it's ok to promote the borg with a pin...but not ok to promote jesus by wearing a. cross?.

Splash

Wear a pin that just says "Jesus", white text on blue background.

The brothers would feel uncomfortable about that.

Splash

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Thoughts on the new 'God's Kingdom Rules!' book

by sd-7 in

i was feeling a little melancholy earlier this week and i decided to start reading wt literature again, just to see what was new and improved.

and it seems that, as has consistently been the case, the more i read of the literature, the more i see that i made the right choice to leave.. the first chapter goes into explaining what the kingdom is, then it looks like they must've essentially cut and pasted from the recent wt study articles about the 'harvest' illustration and about the two groups of anointed = one generation, but there's a third group of anointed who aren't part of 'this generation' (but, i imagine, probably will be someday, i mean, if two groups decades apart in age can be part of one generation, why not three?).

it's interesting, looking at it again after all this time.

Splash

Unfortunately there is an error in oubliettes chart, which prologos refers to.

The overarching label "The Overlapping Generation" actually starts and ends only on the first group. To truly delineate the end of the overlapping generation it would have to end in the 2070's, at the end of the second group.

And if we are getting into details, there's an earlier group of anointed which pre-date those who pass through 1914, eg the apostles.

This brings to number of groups to 4.

Splash

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BEARDS: Why JW men don't have them

by 00DAD in

i know this has been dished over before, but when i was doing some research i discovered a couple of interesting points.

as far as i can find, there is only one wt article that implies that jw men should not have beards.

*** w75 8/15 pp.

Splash

@lurkernomore And here was me thinking Jesus nailed that old law to the torture stake, and that it was "erased".

Splash.

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JW teachings that have remained the same

by Splash in

teachings that have remained the samewhen you highlight the continual ebb and flow of changing teachings, a jw may refer you to the long held teachings which have never changed.

core doctrines such as the importance of using gods name, and the trinity, hellfire and immortality of the soul all being false.

but even here things are not as simple as they could be:.

Splash

Dis-Member 4 teachings? That's just grand.

To be fair, these are 'core' doctrines.

If we included other, less important teachings that had never changed, we could add:
Our view of organ transplants. erm, actually, sorry, no we couldnt.
The edenic serpent had legs? um, nope that changed too.
Vaccinations? Hemoglobin? Nah, changed.
Worshipping Jesus? Try again.
Lecithin? Pinata? Disfellowshipped can partake of the Lords evening meal? No-ho! all changed.
Can greet a disfellowsipped person? Ministerial Servants can sit on Judicial committees? Praying for DF'd ones? All changed again.

Hmm....

Meaning of 'marking'? Who are the 'superior authorities'? Who sowed the mustard grain? Who are the Glorious Ones? Who the Alpha and Omega is? Who replaced Judas as the 12th apostle? If resurrected ones can marry? when the 1260 days, 1290 days, 1335 days or 2300 days begin and end?

How about if Matt 24:14 has been fulfilled yet? Will there be another world war? How long a creative day is? If Zoo's are good or bad? How many keys to kingdom there are? Who is the 'True Lord'? If Every eye will see Jesus? When the 2nd presence began? 10 toes on Daniels image? If there will be a rapture? At what age to get baptised? The guaranteed 1925 earthly resurrection? How to remove a tattoo? If you can be sexually sterilised? Seperating of the sheep and goats? The Mustard seed? The wise and foolish virgins? What is a Generation? Who Jesus is mediator for? If we can vote? If Jesus had a beard? How bodies will be disposed of after amageddon? If you must only marry in the Lord? What reasons permit you to get divorced? When The End will be? Adam's skin colour? How long Adam was alive before Eve was created? if women can be MS's? If JW's are prophets? If Adam will be resurrected? When the harvest began? When 6,000 years will be up? Who Michael is? If Chess is safe to play? Who are Ordained ministers? Who are the seven Shepherds and eight Dukes? When the anointed were sealed? If alternative military service is allowed? When Babylon the Great fell? Who the 12 tribes in Rev refers to? What is the sin that easily entangles us? If there will be a Rapture.

Well wouldn't you know it - all changed!

OK Dis-Member, 4 teachings.

Splash

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JW teachings that have remained the same

by Splash in

teachings that have remained the samewhen you highlight the continual ebb and flow of changing teachings, a jw may refer you to the long held teachings which have never changed.

core doctrines such as the importance of using gods name, and the trinity, hellfire and immortality of the soul all being false.

but even here things are not as simple as they could be:.

Splash

Hi designs,

the full 'trinity' quote from that article (emphasis theirs) is

*** w89 3/15 p. 18 par. 3 Insight That Jehovah Has Given ***

Building on this foundation, way back in 1882 these dedicated Bible students clearly stated in the Watch Tower: “Our readers are aware that while we believe in Jehovah God and Jesus, and the holy Spirit, we reject as totally unscriptural, the teaching that these are three Gods in one person, or as some put it, one God in three persons.”

In fact, all of the quotes in the OP are from the exact same WT and exact same article. It was called "Insight That Jehovah Has Given"

Splash

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JW teachings that have remained the same

by Splash in

teachings that have remained the samewhen you highlight the continual ebb and flow of changing teachings, a jw may refer you to the long held teachings which have never changed.

core doctrines such as the importance of using gods name, and the trinity, hellfire and immortality of the soul all being false.

but even here things are not as simple as they could be:.

Splash

TEACHINGS THAT HAVE REMAINED THE SAME

When you highlight the continual ebb and flow of changing teachings, a JW may refer you to the long held teachings which have never changed. Core doctrines such as the importance of using Gods name, and the trinity, hellfire and immortality of the soul all being false. But even here things are not as simple as they could be:

Gods Name - w89 3/15 p. 19 par. 6
from its very first year of publication (1879), the Watch Tower gave prominence to the divine name, JEHOVAH.

Trinity - w89 3/15 p. 18 par. 3
Building on this foundation, way back in 1882 these dedicated Bible students clearly stated in the Watch Tower: "Our readers are aware that while we believe in Jehovah God and Jesus, and the holy Spirit, we reject as totally unscriptural, the teaching that these are three Gods in one person".

Hell - w89 3/15 pp. 19-20 par. 8
In 1880 the Watch Tower analyzed the original-language words transliterated Sheol and Hades in the Bible and concluded that these designate the grave. It also pointed out that people consigned to Gehenna were destroyed, not tormented.

Immortality of the soul - w89 3/15 p. 20 par. 9
In 1894 the Watch Tower raised the question, "Whence then came the popular notion that all human beings possess immortality, innately, inherently?" With insight, it answered: "Scanning the pages of history, we find that, although the doctrine of human immortality is not taught by God’s inspired witnesses, it is the very essence of all heathen religions."

So why is this not simple?
Please explain, why is it that the ONLY core teachings not to have changed are ones that come from the 1800's? This is decades before the Faithful and Discreet Slave existed and were appointed by Jesus in 1919. All of the teachings since the FDS were approved have been far more unreliable than the earlier teachings of the non-slave class!

Splash

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Question for current and former elders: did you feel qualified to give counsel for depression?

by kneehighmiah in

jw
friends

do you feel the counseling demands placed on elders are fair and scriptural?.

i live in an economically depressed industial city.

my dad is an elder in a lower income black congregation.

Splash

The elders are very well trained and qualified to help in cases of depression.

See for example the sensitive and practical advice given to a sister who is having suicidal thoughts, in this training video.

Check out 35:55 - 36:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw6xWzJkDQw

Because there are such caring and knowledgable men, JW's have the lowest rates of mental illness of anyone else on earth.

Splash.

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Not on JW.ORG : Another Watchtower Society property closed and sold.

by Balaamsass2 in

jul 22, 2014, 2:09pm hstlongs drugs to open new store in east honolulu near aina haina shopping center enlarge photopbn filelongs drugs, which opened this store in the davies pacific center in downtown honolulu last summer, plans to open another location in east honolulu near the aina haina shopping center.. duane shimogawareporter-pacific business newsemail | google+ | twitter | linkedinlongs drugs has purchased property for $7.6 million from the jehovahs witnesses for a new store and pharmacy in east honolulu near the aina haina shopping center, the broker who represented the seller told pbn.. rhode island-based cvs caremark corp.(nyse: cvs), which owns the longs drugs chain in hawaii, and kz devco, the california-based company that serves as the drugstore chain's exclusive developer in the state of hawaii, recently pulled building permits for the 1.4-acre property at 5156 kalanianaole highway, which was at one time was home to the popular ranch house restaurant.. a cvs/longs spokesman did not immediately return a message left by pbn.. the fee-simple property, which includes a two-story, 24,200-square-foot building, the former current home to the jehovahs witnesses, and a 2,279-square-foot building, the former home to a veterinarian clinic, had been on the market since the summer of 2012.. mark bratton, vice president of investment properties for colliers international hawaii, who represented the seller, told pbn that the jehovahs witnesses sold the property because they need a smaller location closer to where their members live.. the property was one of the few fee-simple commercially-zoned properties located within the aina haina and hawaii kai neighborhoods, which has about 150,000 square feet of office space and approximately 783,000 square feet of retail space in the trade area, colliers said.. with this limited inventory of commercial-zoned properties in the area, property sales are few and far between, according to colliers, which noted that the nearby aina haina shopping center was sold in 2007, making it the last commercial property sale within that area.. cvs opened its newest hawaii longs drugs store in may in makiki, which was its first new full-service store in urban honolulu in years.. longs drugs, which has operated in hawaii since 1954, currently has 54 locations in the state.

the aina haina neighborhood has longed for a drugstore chain to open in the area.

both walgreens and longs have stores in hawaii kai about four miles away.. duane shimogawa covers energy, real estate and economic development for pacific business news.