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  Do you believe Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body is the "faithful slave"?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  2. scandals

  this question is known to be posed by jws to other jws as an acid test of loyalty.

  i'm not the first to notice what i'm about to point out and comment accordingly, but today i felt compelled to add a short article on my blog highlighting the new language that governing body member geoffrey jackson supplies as a response.

  a person who honestly hesitates to respond with a robust "yes!

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  Fisherman I do not know for a fact what GJ meant, neither do you, only he does. What I do know for a fact is [...] he tried to clarify that HS is how God directs people...

  Beautiful WT doublespeak, well done. Add the word "evidently" and we can put this in the next Awake!

  When you read what he said and not what you wanted him to have said, the truth becomes clear.

  "That, I think, would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that God is using."

  The WT magazines clearly state that the GB are God's mouthpiece. The GB set the rules and only the GB can change the rules. Why? Because God speaks through them alone. Can a JW listen to information and teachings apart from the GB? No, because only the GB are God's mouthpiece.

  Every JW knows this! In fact it is so central to JW dogma that it has even become the back room acid test to detect loyalty in the congregation. Go ahead and ask old sister Faithful if the GB are God's spokeman, guess what she'll say?

  WT articles trump Bible verses. Deborah as a judge is one such relevant proof. The GB interpret and speak for God for the rest of JWdom, but GJ is simply too embarrassed to state it plainly and admit it publicly.

  It's ok Fisherman if you wish to twist your mind and GJ's meaning into something that you find acceptable, something that fits your preprogrammed allegiance, but please don't expect everyone else to blindly accept your WT-like agenda of intentional misconstruing things. We've already done that but got fed up with it.
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  Do you believe Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body is the "faithful slave"?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this question is known to be posed by jws to other jws as an acid test of loyalty.

  i'm not the first to notice what i'm about to point out and comment accordingly, but today i felt compelled to add a short article on my blog highlighting the new language that governing body member geoffrey jackson supplies as a response.

  a person who honestly hesitates to respond with a robust "yes!

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  @SimonSays You're mental if you believe what you've written.

  ALL OF US, which include the slave class must be ready to obey who? JAH by any instructions we may receive.
  

  Who exactly will be giving us these new instructions from "Jah"? Oh, how convenient, it's the GOVERNING BODY! If you can't see how this undermines your flimsy reasoning then I have some chocolate teapots you might be interested in buying.

  Please keep rearranging all your words, the law of averages says that you will eventually make sense.
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  Do you believe Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body is the "faithful slave"?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this question is known to be posed by jws to other jws as an acid test of loyalty.

  i'm not the first to notice what i'm about to point out and comment accordingly, but today i felt compelled to add a short article on my blog highlighting the new language that governing body member geoffrey jackson supplies as a response.

  a person who honestly hesitates to respond with a robust "yes!

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  johnamos Fisherman and SimonSays, it is refreshing to see that there are some out there with comprehension skills.

  This, from someone who still thinks there's such a thing as a slave class.
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  "Mediator" not Mediator, "Judge" not Judge... Watchtower word games

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as much as jesus is not the mediator of mankind but the "mediator" (supposedly a legal term), the watchtower has a similar word game with the word "judge".seems like deborah judged in israel, which, for every one of you apostate or worldly scumbags who don't understand word games, does not mean debora was a judge.

  you see, deborah was a "judge".why is that?

  because she is not listed on a list of 12 judges.

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  There were 12 judges in Israel, and Heb 11:32 only mentions four of these.
  In mentioning these four, Heb 11:32 adds Samuel and David to the list, "and the [other] prophets".

  Heb 11:32 is not a list of judges, it is a sample list of faithful men who, if you continue to read verses 33 and 34 "who through faith..." demonstrated many achievements.

  To say that Deborah cannot be classed as a judge because of Heb 11:32 is to misunderstand what Heb 11:32 is saying, and might as well be used to argue that there were actually only four judges.

  The scriptures are clear, Deborah is called a judge more than once and Barak is never given that title.

  The WT do not follow the Bible but interpret according to their own whim and tradition. This is just one more example of a corrupt teaching where they claim to know better than the Word of God.

  *** w77 12/1 p. 723 par. 24 Is Your Advice Hard to Take? ***
  "We should never twist texts to serve our own purpose, as Satan did."

  
  
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  Samuel Herd 3 min video - the most misogynistic words I ever heard from a "godly man"

  by paradisebeauty in

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  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=72&v=9vvqxf9uwu0.

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  Driving Force This play on words "mankind / kind of man", is really pathetic, because it does not work in other languages.

  I think Herd is onto something.

  He is a MENtal MENace who MANipulates MANy.

  We should BOYcott his MENial MANtra's because they are illMANnered MANure.
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  Do you believe Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body is the "faithful slave"?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this question is known to be posed by jws to other jws as an acid test of loyalty.

  i'm not the first to notice what i'm about to point out and comment accordingly, but today i felt compelled to add a short article on my blog highlighting the new language that governing body member geoffrey jackson supplies as a response.

  a person who honestly hesitates to respond with a robust "yes!

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  SimonSays: Better email the Pontiff to let him know that he’s mistaken about papal infallibility and worldwide Bishops are liars according to you people.
  

  If the best you can do is say that the Catholic church is more wrong than the GB, then you really have plumbed the depths of credibility.

  "Yeah, but.. the Catholic Church is worserer...."

  Pitiable defense. Contemptible misdirection.
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  Do you believe Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body is the "faithful slave"?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this question is known to be posed by jws to other jws as an acid test of loyalty.

  i'm not the first to notice what i'm about to point out and comment accordingly, but today i felt compelled to add a short article on my blog highlighting the new language that governing body member geoffrey jackson supplies as a response.

  a person who honestly hesitates to respond with a robust "yes!

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  SimonSays The Pope speaks directly with God, and the Bishops are Apostles according to their creed.

  No different to JW's.

  The GB are prophets: w14 11/15 p. 30 11
  "Revelation 11:3 speaks of two witnesses who would prophesy for 1,260 days... However, true to the words of the prophecy, at the end of the three and a half days, the two witnesses were brought back to life. Not only were these anointed ones released from prison but those who remained faithful received a special appointment from God through their Lord, Jesus Christ. In 1919 they were among those who were appointed to serve as a "faithful and discreet slave" to care for the spiritual needs of God's people during the last days."

  The GB convey Jehovah's voice, via Jesus: w14 8/15 "Hear Jehovah's Voice Wherever You Are"
  ... In effect, Jesus also conveys Jehovah's voice to us as he directs the congregation through "the faithful and discreet slave." We need to take this guidance and direction seriously, for our everlasting life depends on our obedience. 16 Many servants of Jehovah have avoided disaster by listening to Jehovah during our meetings."

  They elevate themselves to the level of Jesus: w10 9/15 p. 23 par. 8 "Your Leader Is One, the Christ"
  The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.

  Their publications are elevated to the level of the Bible: w08 4/15 p. 7 par. 19
  "Elders do not go beyond the things that are written in the Bible. And by extension, they do not go beyond the Bible-based counsel written in the publications of the faithful and discreet slave."

  Their words come from Jehovah, not man: w42 1/1 p5 "Those who are convinced that The Watchtower is publishing the opinion or expression of a man should not waste time in looking at it at all, because a man's opinion proves nothing except when that opinion is based wholly upon the Word of God. Those who believe that God uses The Watchtower as a means of communicating to his people, or of calling their attention to his prophecies, should study The Watchtower with thankfulness of heart and give Jehovah God and Christ Jesus all the honor and credit"

  To ignore them is to be at odds with God: w11 7/15 p. 28 par. 17 God's Rest—What Is It?
  "if we minimized the Bible-based counsel that we receive through the faithful and discreet slave class, choosing to follow an independent course, we would be placing ourselves at odds with God's unfolding purpose."

  And we should blindly obey them: w13 11/15 p. 20 par. 17
  All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

  The GB would have us believe they are more qualified than the apostles. Not even the Catholic Church are this haughty.
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  Do you believe Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body is the "faithful slave"?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this question is known to be posed by jws to other jws as an acid test of loyalty.

  i'm not the first to notice what i'm about to point out and comment accordingly, but today i felt compelled to add a short article on my blog highlighting the new language that governing body member geoffrey jackson supplies as a response.

  a person who honestly hesitates to respond with a robust "yes!

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  Fisherman According to your article, the man was not asked if he was "the faithful and discreet slave." He was asked: "...do you see yourselves as Jehovah God's spokespeople." He responded (clarifying that the FDS are not God's only spokespeople) that others too in the congregation could act and speak with God's Holy Spirit. He meant that God uses other JW (exclusively) besides the GB.

  You missed the word "evidently".

  Do you know what it means to speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
  It means that you speak fully and plainly.
  If you have to engage in literary gymnastics to validate something to yourself, then either GJ wasn't speaking the whole truth, or you are anxiously trying to twist things to your fragile belief system.

  I suspect both of these are true.

  Sounds to me like GJ is not the self-appointed spokesman for God, but you are the self-appointed spokesman for GJ.
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  Serious question about the Australian RC and the WTBTS.

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have not been in a position to watch all of the interviews, so i'm sure that i missed a few things.

  here is my question.

  were either elders or ministerial servants accused of sexually abusing children, or were the accused just lowly r&f publishers or bible studies?

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  I thought bystander guilt was a personal, moral guilt felt by someone who did not act to prevent something happening when they had the opportunity.

  Does you mean it will become a recognised crime?
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  The Kingdom Halls are empty

  by punkofnice in

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  2. beliefs

  my jw spies tell me that the kingdom halls are empty compared to how they used to be, since i left 5 years ago.

  not saying they're empty because of me though.. is that what you are hearing?.

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  When we dedicate our lives to Jehovah, there's no going back.

  Seems it's different when we dedicate a kingdom hall to Jehovah.