Posts by Splash

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UNDERSTANDING WHY THE ORGANIZATION is a false idol and a BLASPHEMY

by Terry in

do we understand these three words: worship, idolatry, and blasphemy?.

most christians have a vague notion of worship, idolatry, and blasphemy already, but.

a clear definition is necessary.. we must take care to differentiate, however.. how the words appear in original language and how they are defined today might be at odds.. ____________________.

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johnamos [4-1-07 WT- Showing Due Respect forthe Faithful Slave

In this WT is a very worrying application of scripture:
"The humble submission of the other sheep to the anointed members of spiritual Israel was foretold in the prophecy of Isaiah: “This is what Jehovah has said: ‘The unpaid laborers of Egypt and the merchants of Ethiopia and the Sabeans, tall men, will themselves come over even to you, and yours they will become. Behind you they will walk; in fetters they will come over, and to you they will bow down. To you they will pray, saying, “Indeed God is in union with you, and there is no one else; there is no other God.”’” (Isaiah 45:14) Symbolically, the other sheep today walk behind the anointed slave class and its Governing Body, following their leadership."

The interpretation of the verse speaks about those who will 'walk behind' the anointed.
That verse also speaks of bowing down and praying to those same ones (the anointed).
The GB did not emphasize that aspect but you know for certain they considered it.

This WT is pretty recent - 2007. I wonder when they will bring out that we should be bowing down to the anointed (although they would say only the GB)?

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What will JW.org / Watchtower be like in 15 years?

by jw07 in

over the past few days i've been reading and watching bill and melinda gates speak about their plans for a better world by 2030. they bet that due to technology and the compassion of people the world should improve more in the next 15 years than it has in all of history.

specifically lower child mortality rate, eradication of polio and guinea worm among other diseases, improvement of standards of living, greater access to education etc.. i'm a realist, so i'm not looking for miracles, but i believe most of these things are possible given the level of success they have reaped in other endeavors, and naturally emerging tech being used to make some of these projections possible.. you can see that the world is actually improving in many areas if you seek out the good news stories and statistics and look beyond the watchtower friendly fear porn about terrorism, and potential dangers from culturally diverse nations around the globe.

for instance 2014 had the lowest fatal airline accident rate in history despite the hyping of the ill fated malaysian airlines crashes.

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The JW organisation is a responsive, reactive one. It evolves according to its' surroundings.

When 'prophecies' fail, they respond with new light.
When world conditions change, for the good or bad, they react with WT articles explaining how this fits with Bible chronology.

When all else fails, a few misquoted scientists and professors seem to keep the sheep placated.

The internet will be the death of the WT though. Once the older ones have died off the younger ones will intuitively research online and be horrified at the huge dishonesty of this organisation. Even Africa is getting online. The funds will dry up and they will be spending more than they are earning.

If you think JW's are niche now, their dwindling retention rate will see them fade into obscurity.

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New JW video, song and dance

by Listener in

the current jws do not cease to amaze.

here's their latest video on youtube and straight from bethel.. there is a lot of work involved in this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwou6e5vwbo .

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Lots and lots of young persons.

If I was 40+ and still at bethel, I'd be having a hard think!

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JW's NOT identified by a symbol!!

by The Searcher in

*** km 9/74 p. 8 question box ***as jehovahs servants we.....................do not want to give others the impression that the tetragrammaton is the symbol of jehovahs witnesses as a whole.

we have no organizational symbol to identify ourselves but show that we are jehovahs christian witnesses by living in harmony with gods will.john 13:35.. don't you just love those "old" lights?.

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At the next convention I would love to see someone wearing the full jw dot org outfit.

Badges, tie, cuff-links, umbrella, ball cap, bag, bible cover...
What would it take for JW's to think "this has gone too far"?

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End times madness?

by erbie in

my wife's parents who are pretty obsessed with the watchtower religion are going on holiday more than they are at home these days and spending money like it is something evil to be got rid of.

i have not been to a meeting in a long time but after reading the thread on hysteria by campaign of hate and the whole tv broadcasting thing i got to wondering if they really are ramping up the 'sense of urgency'.

many on here are better informed than me so i'd be interested to hear whether this is a common thing..

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Didn't you know? The end is very, very near!

w69 2/1 p. 92 They Feel the Urgency
"The end of this system of things is very, very close, and we all know it!"

w77 4/1 p. 198 par. 5 How Can You Find Real Security?
evidence from fulfilled Bible prophecy shows that we are very, very late in the "last days" of this present wicked system of things.

w81 12/15 pp. 28-29 Active Christians in a Critical Time
what indications do we have that it is going to terminate very, very soon?

w97 1/1 p. 11 par. 18 Let All Glorify Jehovah!
...the end of Satan's system is very, very near!

w98 8/15 p. 24 Living and Preaching in the Shadow of a Volcano
Though no one knows exactly when that end will come, there is no doubt that it is coming and that it is very, very close.

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JW's NOT identified by a symbol!!

by The Searcher in

*** km 9/74 p. 8 question box ***as jehovahs servants we.....................do not want to give others the impression that the tetragrammaton is the symbol of jehovahs witnesses as a whole.

we have no organizational symbol to identify ourselves but show that we are jehovahs christian witnesses by living in harmony with gods will.john 13:35.. don't you just love those "old" lights?.

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A more recent quote:

*** km 4/09 p. 4 Question Box ***

"Congregations or individuals should not use logos or names of the organization’s legal entities, or variations thereof, on their Kingdom Halls, signs, letterhead, personal objects, and so forth...
The Watch Tower logo, or a variation of it, should not be used in future Kingdom Hall projects even if the Kingdom Hall is owned by a Watch Tower entity."

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The Status of DO`s , Co`s , Zone Servants , or their equivalents , nowadays .

by smiddy in

i am just trying to figure out who is an employer and an employee as opposed to a volunteer in this organisation .. are the governing body members of the wtb&ts employers ?

do they consider themselves volunteers ?.

are anybody male or female under their jurisdiction employee`s ?

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CO's upwards are allowed to call themselves representatives of the society.

Elders and below are not to be known as that.

*** km 2/89 p. 3 Our Identification as Jehovah’s Witnesses ***
"As ministers of the good news, we are known publicly as Jehovah’s Witnesses. Our voluntary participation in the field service is motivated by love of God and neighbor. It is not carried on at the insistence of any man or organization but is according to our God-given commission to preach the “good news” and make disciples. Therefore, publishers do well to avoid representing themselves as agents or representatives of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., or any other corporation used by “the faithful and discreet slave” to advance Kingdom interests."

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Clever/snappy comeback for "you're an apostate"

by Dagney in

jw
friends

i'm looking for some clever comebacks.

i really don't care that i am an apostate, but would like to deliver a quick comeback or two to perhaps make the other person think.

any suggestions most welcome.

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"Call me any name you like, but I can 100% prove what you teach is wrong. Give me a ring when you get curious."

"I would explain why you are wrong, but you have chosen to only believe what you are told to believe, however often that might change."

"Do you know that for a fact, or are you just repeating what you've heard?"

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JW TV is the reason for the hysteria in the KH

by campaign of hate in

jw
friends

if you, like me, have noticed the sudden increase in hysteria in the khs right now, i put it down to that jw tv site.

its's far more extensive than i thought it was, i thought it was just 1, 1 hour program a month.

there's a s*** load of videos on that site.. and the real problem, from just watching a clip from each video, is that these guys are clearly "mentally unstable".

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all it takes is for every JW to be huddled into a KH for a live broadcast for something truly worrying to happen.
Thoughts?

There is a GB special broadcast coming up soon.

Instructions have been given to all UK congregations to have their streaming equipment tested and ready for a live stream event. There is even going to be a weekend of password protected stream tests before the main event, to prove everything works correctly.

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Re: Experienced Attorneys and Paralegals Needed at Bethel

by pixel in

i thought we needed carpenters and plumbers in paradise...oh well... the hypocrisy.

to all bodies of elders in the united states branch territoryre: experienced attorneys and paralegals needed at bethel.

dear brothers:.

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Hilarious.

Not to be read to the congregation, just surreptitiously approach individuals instead.

"We want the most highly educated and qualified persons we can get, but please don't think we advocate getting educated or qualified."

When will it end.