a parable has a fullfillment? and, is there now no faithful slave?

by sowhatnow in

does a parable have a fulfillment?

lol, i thought only prophesy had fulfillment.

march 15 2015 wt.. after the previous articles and questions from the readers, where the writers try to explain that .

Splash

The March 2015 WT is restating what it put in the July 2013 WT.

The F&DS were chosen in 1919, but in accord with the Mt 24 account they will not be rewarded until later. There are two different 'appointings', one past and one future:

(Matthew 24:45-47) “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! 47 Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings."

What I find interesting are the multiple identities given to the 'slave' in this illustration:

Verse 45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?" This is the 8 man (currently) Governing Body.

Verse 46 - 47 "Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings." This is all of the 144,000 anointed.

Verse 48 “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,. . .' ". This is a fictional slave that does not and will not exist.

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A brazen falsehood in this week's Watchtower study! (week of Feb 9 - 15, 2015)

by Island Man in

on page 13 of the december 15, 2014 watchtower (study edition), the first 2 sentences of paragraph 10 say:.

"the symbolic separating of fish does not refer to the final judgment during the great tribulation.

rather, it highlights what would happen during the last days of this wicked system.".

Splash

I pulled two elders over at the end of the meeting and showed them Mt 13:42 and 50.

I asked them "what's the difference between these two verses?"

As pointed out in the OP, the two verses say the same thing and are both on the same page when you read them.

1st elder: They're the same.

2nd elder: Yes, they're the same.

Me: No, they are different. Vs 42 is after Armageddon, vs 50 is before it.

Elder 2: Oh yes, that's right.

(Exit Elder 1)

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Magazine Routes March KM

by Rattigan350 in

improving our skills in the ministrydeveloping a magazine route.

what does delivering magazines have to do with skills in a ministry?.

"many people who enjoy reading our magazines do not wish to study the bible with us.".

Splash

Hardly a cutting edge suggestion.
They were suggesting the exact same thing 45 years ago (or longer, probably)

*** km 4/71 p. 4 par. 4 Presenting the Good News—That People May Be Free ***
Do you have a magazine route? If not, and you would like to start one, you may wish to follow the example of a pioneer in California. His route helps him to average placement of 395 magazines a month. When householders take magazines, he says, “Would you like to have these magazines regularly? They are only 20c a month, and I will be glad to deliver them.”

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Fun with Gog and/of Magog!! What's really going on here???

by DATA-DOG in

the topic of gog and magog, or gog of magog is pretty hot right now.

gog....so hot right now...gog.... .

as has been brought out by many, no one seems to know who gog is.

Splash

A timeline of the teaching on who Gog is:

WHO IS GOG OF MAGOG?

Russia - WT June 1880 p.107
"Also the xxxix chapters of Ezek., after speaking of trouble with Gog - Russia - after their return, and dwelling in the mountains of Israel; gives the purpose for which it is all brought about; ..."

A demon prince - WT 1932 June 15 p. 179 Para 7 "GOG AND MAGOG"
The prophecy therefore seems to relate to the satanic organization of the earth, the chief part of which is Big Business, and also to other parts of that organization under the supervision of Gog, the prince of the Devil's organization

A spirit ruler but not a demon prince - WT 10/01/53 Para 6
Hence the suggestion of twenty years ago that Gog was an eighth demon prince is now seen to be without proof. However, that suggestion was leading us in the right direction for locating Gog, namely, in the spirit world and not in the visible earthly, human society. Therefore Gog still represents, not a visible human ruler or nation, such as Russia, but a spirit ruler.

Satan - w54 12/1 p. 733 par. 22 Never Fighting Illegally or Quitting World-wide Preaching
Jehovah is using us, his witnesses, therefore, by our fighting for freedom to preach world-wide, as bait for the Devil, named Gog in the book of Ezekiel.

A coalition of nations - WT 2015 May Questions From Readers
When we compare all these Scriptural references about the final attack on God’s people, it becomes evident that the name Gog of Magog refers, not to Satan, but to a coalition of nations..

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Fun with Gog and/of Magog!! What's really going on here???

by DATA-DOG in

the topic of gog and magog, or gog of magog is pretty hot right now.

gog....so hot right now...gog.... .

as has been brought out by many, no one seems to know who gog is.

Splash

DATA-DOG If anyone finds some older information on Gog, it would be interesting to read it. We could make a timeline of the WTBTS's "truth" about Gog.

WT 1932 June 15 p. 179 "GOG AND MAGOG"
Para 4 "A dogmatic statement as to what Gog and the land of Magog represent would hardly be proper."
"Based upon the certain truths that are revealed by the Scriptures the following conclusion as to the meaning of Gog and Magog is here set forth, to wit: Gog is one of the princes in Satan's organization, invisible, of course, to human eyes, with a possibility of the power to materialize in human form."

Para 6 "In Revelation 20: 7, 8 the distinction is made between Satan and Gog and Magog, which shows that the particular prophecy of Ezekiel, chapters thirty-eight and thirty-nine, is not directly applicable to Satan, but that it does specifically apply to one of Satan's chiefs, and those gathered under him in a division of Satan's organization."

Para 7 "The prophecy therefore seems to relate to the satanic organization of the earth, the chief part of which is Big Business, and also to other parts of that organization under the supervision of Gog, the prince of the Devil's organization"

Para 11 "since Gog is called "the chief prince" of Rosh, it is reasonable that Gog is the one that leads the fight at Armageddon, while Satan as the general sits in the rear and directs it"

So the WT starts by saying "we can't say for sure", but the rest of the article is pretty certain, with Question 12 asking "How do Revelation 11: 12-14 and Ezekiel 38: 15 further confirm the identity of Gog and of the chief instrument in his visible army?'"

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The tale of Angelo and Dan! Have you heard this one??

by DATA-DOG in

long story, short; angelo was bad, he went to prison.

dan was bad, he went to prison too.

dan became a dub and studied with angelo.

Splash

Reminds me of a story of someone called "Peter" who was a criminal.
In a five year period he killed 13 women, attempted to kill 7 more and was given 20 life sentences when he was finally caught.

In prison he was repeatedly attacked by other inmates, even losing an eye in one stabbing incident.

Eventually he gets to hear of the Truth, has a Bible study and finally becomes a baptised brother.
Due to failing health he may not have long left, but this account proves the verse "that is what some of you were".

At least the Society have another one they can proudly add to their yearly statistics - the Yorkshire Ripper.

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40,000 new kingdom halls needed

by sowhatnow in

not sure where to post this, but the other day my jw mom says to me, 'the number is increasing they announced that we need 40,000 new kingdom halls'.

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ok, who else has heard this, and how should i respond, other than to say well your cong is smaller now than it was 15 years ago..... where your growth?.

Splash

Thanks InsidetheKH.

I didn't have a figure so estimated 20%. Are you aware of a more accurate number from somewhere?

On a side note I saw:
*** w10 7/1 p. 25 Why Did Jesus Not Get Involved in Politics? ***
"In the past decade, over 20,000 houses of worship, or Kingdom Halls, have been built."

So if they were building 2,000 each year on average between 2000 and 2010, I wonder how many they are currently building each year. Maybe no more than in previous years.

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40,000 new kingdom halls needed

by sowhatnow in

not sure where to post this, but the other day my jw mom says to me, 'the number is increasing they announced that we need 40,000 new kingdom halls'.

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ok, who else has heard this, and how should i respond, other than to say well your cong is smaller now than it was 15 years ago..... where your growth?.

Splash

According to the 2014 Yearbook there are 114,000 congregations worldwide.
There are fewer K.Halls than this because many congregations share a K.Hall.

If we assume 20% share a hall that leaves us with 91,000 kingdom halls worldwide

If a hall needs some remedial work every six or seven years this gives you 14,000 kingdom hall projects every year.

All this maintenance work and no mention of any increase.

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Matthew 1:17 & 42 Generations

by campaign of hate in

if we are to look at matthew 1:17, looks like there were 42 generations from abraham to jesus.. if we take 1948 bce (abraham's birth) and we take it to jesus baptisim (29 ce) we get to 1,977 years.. so lets divide 1977 years by 42 (the amount of generations), we get to around 47 years for one generation.. 1 generation = 47 years.. 1 generation + an overlapping generation (1 generation more) = 94 years.. this is all in the first chapter of the new testament..... comments welcome.....

Splash

@StarTrekAngel

The overlap definition from the WT is in two parts:
1. Those who were baptised and anointed, and who's lives intersected with the 1914 date.
2. Those who were baptised and anointed, and who's lives intersected with the earlier group.

If you were born in the 1830's, baptised and anointed, and lived to see 1914 (say, 80ish years old) you are in the first group.
If you were born in 1890's, baptised and anointed before 1914 and lived to see the 1970's (80ish years old) you are in the first group.

Therefore the first group extends from the 1830's to the 1970's - 140 years.
This is only the first half of the 'overlap'.

If you were born in the 1950's, baptised and anointed before all of group one died out in the 1970's and lived to see the 2030's (80ish years old), you are one of the overlappers.

Therefore the entire overlapping generation potentially extends from the 1830's to the 2030's - 200 years.
A 200 year generation.
Let's see what Jesus was recorded as saying:
Matthew 24:34 "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen."

So the quotes from various scriptures enlarging on 'generation' are not really to do with assigning a specific amount of time, but simply show the absurdity of claiming three overlapping life spans totalling 200 years is what Jesus 'evidently meant'.

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Matthew 1:17 & 42 Generations

by campaign of hate in

if we are to look at matthew 1:17, looks like there were 42 generations from abraham to jesus.. if we take 1948 bce (abraham's birth) and we take it to jesus baptisim (29 ce) we get to 1,977 years.. so lets divide 1977 years by 42 (the amount of generations), we get to around 47 years for one generation.. 1 generation = 47 years.. 1 generation + an overlapping generation (1 generation more) = 94 years.. this is all in the first chapter of the new testament..... comments welcome.....

Splash

ANOTHER new picture / avatar DD?

You have far too much time on your hands

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