Posts by Splash

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The change in the Memorial

by Doug Mason in

up until 1954, the watch tower society said that the symbolism of the memorial loaf included the little flock and that the wine represented their sharing in jesus death.

(one example: the loaf pictures not jesus fleshly body but his body members, the christian congregation.

the watchtower, march 15, 1954, page 174).

Splash

Didn't they flip back to 'Christs congregation' after that 1956 wt, then flop back to 'Christ's literal body' again?

FLIP *** w57 4/1 p. 199 “The Lord’s Evening Meal” ***
"It therefore follows that only those who belong to spiritual Israel, or Christ’s body, may properly partake. “The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of the Christ? The loaf which we break, is it not a sharing in the body of the Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, although many, are one body, for we are all partaking of that one loaf.' ”—1 Cor. 10:16, 17"

FLOP *** w59 7/1 p. 408 Part 17—“Your Will Be Done on Earth” ***
He broke a loaf of unleavened bread and offered it to them to eat, saying that it represented his perfect human body that was to be sacrificed in behalf of human sinners.

I like the thought that for 36 years (1919 - 1957) the F&DS didn't understand why they were partaking of the loaf, or even better, that for 77 years (since the first mention of the loaf being the congregation in 1880 - 1957) the anointed didn't properly grasp the meaning of such a special institution.

w13 12/15 p. 25 par. 10 'Do This in Remembrance of Me'

At one time, God’s servants felt that... the bread meant "the body of the Christ," the congregation of anointed ones. In time, however, it was appreciated that both reason and Scripture indicate that the bread represents Jesus’ human body.

If "reason and scripture indicate" this, was the wrong teaching, held for 77 years, unreasonable and unscriptural? If so, was it wise or discreet to teach it?

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Average Age of this Forum?

by Garrett in

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heyo!.

i'm quite interested in knowing the average age of those of us who use this forum.

i made a quick strawpoll that you can find at the following link: http://strawpoll.me/4340636 just pick an age and click "vote" if you wish to participate.. admins: if this breaks any rules, i apologize in advance..

Splash

So 75% of us are in the 30-60 range, evenly spread out!

I wonder if the 20-30 bracket is so low because nowadays those who wake up in that age bracket just leave with little need for a forum like this.

Good straw poll!

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May 2015 JW Broadcast, "The Watchtower Has The Most Multilingual Speakers in the World? True or False?

by RoyalFlushPhil in

stephen lett about 33 minutes in to may's "liar liar" episode of the monthly worship broadcast said "jehovah's witnesses have the most multilingual speakers of any organization in the world!".

the catholic church has the most people i thought, do you think he's telling the truth and where is he getting these facts?

i finally broke down and decided to watch this in order to work on my reverse witnessing skills, lots of ammunition for anyone needing fuel to extinguish their dirty flames of lies!.

Splash

I wonder if the JW's have the most thinkingest multilingual speakers of any organisation in the world.

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Any Letterman Fans

by berrygerry in

not many shows left.. was a fan from his nbc days when he had a lot of innovation.. no question, he has a quick mind, which to me, is a key to comedy.. a distinct memory was awakening my poor pre-teen daughter when dave was back on the air after his heart surgery.. no matter what, is a changing of the guard (if only the wt could do the same)..

Splash

I once saw Phish play outside at Lettermans' studio in NY.

"Wilson" got the crowds going.

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The work is speeding up

by bradford in

i don't have a great reference point on my observation other than my local area but i was wondering if this was a widespread thing.

... in the last two years in my former congregation there have been 6 people to disassociate for "apostasy," 6 disfellowshipped for various reasons, and numerous ones reproved.

these are just the ones i have heard about.

Splash

In the last 24 months in a cong of 100 pubs (but 75-80 average meeting attendance), we have had 2 df'd and a family of 4 fade.

It also has about 5 very old ones who will no doubt 'stop' attending within the next 12 months, and quite a few other old ones who are finding it more and more difficult.

Two elders fall into that latter category and have had their responsibilities lightened because they can no longer do all the required stuff.

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may 10th study: what a site to see all the brain washed zombies buying into all the lies and being lead to the slaughter

by goingthruthemotions in

what a site to see all the brain washed zombies buying into all the lies and being lead to the slaughter.....especially my wife.

she is so brainwashed.

she has no idea about the lies of type and anti-type.

Splash

So what we were told was meat and solid food turns out to be tainted milk.

Worse than that, if we use the same measure that the WT uses for other religions, we were taught expressions of demons and vile falsehoods.

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Hello, just introducing myself

by Miss Behaving in

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i've just signed up two days ago, but i've been lurking for about a year and a half.

here's my story if you're interested:.

my parents converted when they were in their first semester of college.

Splash

JWFacts strikes again!

New light - JWFacts is the enemy that sowed the field with weeds.

Welcome Miss B!

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Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

by Deltawave in

there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

Splash

Flippin Norah, remind me never to cross viviane!

You'll be fine so long as you never form an opinion on anything and be so bold as to post it.

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German Branch visit talk Mark Sanderson (Parents; don't hinder young children to get baptized)

by Daniel1555 in

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the video streaming of the german branch visit program was excrutiating 3.5 hours long.. i just went to see the last 45 min (part of mark sandersons talk).. i think sanderson is quite a sympathetic speaker and he kind of made a loving impression.. he didn't mention controversial stuff (except for one thing i will come to soon).

he mostly talked about how to find joy, even when life is not easy, and how much the gb loves the rank and file.. one point seemed soooo important to him.

parents and children.

Splash

This will backfire in my view.

As a child grows in understanding through their teens, the importance and significance is instilled in them, for them to reach out for baptism as a goal.

For a 9 year old to be baptised, they will grow up knowing that decision was actually taken for them, without their realisation of what it entailed or their proper consent.

Baptism will lose it's importance and there will be more who come to resent being forced into something so early in life.

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Organised Crime

by Dominic in

i am not greatly familiar with the belief of jehovah's witness but am learning more through a school project.

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what is the jehovah's witness view on organised crime?

Splash

Organised crime is, apparently, tied up with other churches:
*** w96 4/15 p. 15 par. 18 Why Worldly Religion Will End ***
What would happen to all the unrepentant liars, fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, swindlers, criminals, drug peddlers and addicts, and members of organized crime? Unquestionably, Christendom’s rotten fruitage makes it fit only for destruction by God.

There's a whole Awake! article on this subject:
*** g97 3/8 p. 3 How Organized Crime Affects You ***