february 26, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: witnessing in public places.
and.
february 25, 2017 to all congregations re: magnetic boards and posters for public witnessing.
the letters have made it very clear that witnesses are on their own doing this work. All the org do is provide the carts and literature.
Actually the org provide all the instructions, materials, governance, qualification rules, training, dress code and time slip reporting procedures.
The only thing they don't provide is protection for their unpaid employees.
in reading these posts, it sounds like a lot of you are very jealous of the wt.
society’s annual income and the money they/we have in the bank.
jehovah has indeed blessed us.
it sounds like a lot of you are very jealous of the Wt. Society’s annual income and the money they/we have in the bank. Jehovah has indeed blessed us. HIS people!
The Catholics have more money than WT does. Your logic means that Jehovah is blessing them more.
Besides, since when is money any proof of God's blessing?
Does this mean wealthy individuals are being individually blessed by God?
If so then there are many JW's who are not being blessed, having been falsely told 50 years ago that they would never grow old in this system, so skipped getting properly educated.
As usual, the simple mind of a parroting JW does not stand up to any level of questioning.
The reason I no longer associate has nothing to do with the preconceived ideas you swallow from the WT.
I no longer associate because the JW teachings are based on sand, are mans philosophy, and are provably wrong.
You can ignore every single example of where the WT have got things wrong, you can excuse all their mistakes, flip flops, teaching changes, deceptive misquotes, appalling treatment of the flock, love of money and history rewriting (AKA 'lies') if you wish to remain blind. That is your choice.
As for me, I've accepted that everything I was taught by JW's simply does not stand up to rational, honest, unbiased investigation, therefore the GB are not specially blessed by God, therefore I have no duty to follow them.
I suspect that you will continue to blindly believe everything you are told, even when they switch ideas 180 degrees. "It's so clear now. It just makes sense!". Until it changes again...
latest date just published for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower.
the public hearings will commence friday 10 march 2017 at the child abuse royal commission's hearing rooms in sydney.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
the scope and purpose of the public hearing is to inquire into:.
Since the ARC first investigated JW's, WT have released a number of new instructions and policy documents.
My guess is that buried in those new documents are words and sentences, intentionally placed, which can now be used as evidence of changes, or intent of changes being made.
Whether these new instructions materially affect the way child abuse is handled in the congregations is another matter, and one that the ARC will have to hunt through the fog of Theocratic Warfare Strategy to correctly ascertain.
The WT is an experienced master of practised deceit. Only extreme levels of scrutiny will expose their craftiness, trickery and lies.
the wt book "family life" (1978) had something to say on this topic:.
*** fl chap.
10 pp.
The WT book "Family Life" (1978) had something to say on this topic:
The latest mention of it is from a 2006 WT which still condones it:*** fl chap. 10 pp. 131-132 pars. 2-5 The Value of Disciplining in Love ***
"Many child psychologists put a “hands off” sign on children [...] But in his Word, God says: “He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.” (Pr 13:24, RSV) A few decades ago, particularly in Western nations, books on child training, with their theories of permissiveness, flooded the market. Discipline would inhibit the child and stunt its development, the psychologists said; and as for spanking, just the thought of it was horrifying to them. Their theories collided head on with Jehovah God’s counsel. His Word says you ‘reap what you sow.’ (Galatians 6:7) "
"A spanking may be a lifesaver to a child, for God’s Word says: “Do not hold back discipline from the mere boy. In case you beat him with the rod, he will not die. With the rod you yourself should beat him, that you may deliver his very soul from Sheol [the grave] itself.” Again, “Foolishness is tied up with the heart of a boy; the rod of discipline is what will remove it far from him.” (Proverbs 23:13, 14; 22:15) If parents hold their children’s life interests dear to them, they will not weakly or carelessly let disciplinary action slip from their hands. "
When I was small it was common for kids to be taken out and smacked for not being able to sit still for 2 hours straight. It happened at every meeting, especially the late night mid week ones.*** w06 11/1 p. 5 Reliable Advice for Raising Children ***What the EXPERTS Say . . . What the BIBLE SaysOn Discipline:Dr. James Dobson wrote in The Strong-Willed Child (1978): “Corporal punishment in the hands of a loving parent is a teaching tool by which harmful behavior is inhibited.” On the other hand, in an article adapted from the seventh edition of the popular book Baby and Child Care (1998), Dr. Benjamin Spock said: “Spanking teaches children that the larger, stronger person has the power to get his way, whether or not he is in the right.”With regard to discipline, the Bible states: “The rod and reproof are what give wisdom.” (Proverbs 29:15) However, not all children need physical punishment.
february 13, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: memorial and special talk.
What a dilemma for them.
Cast off and shun the inactive ones so they have no detrimental influence on any active ones, or plead for their return to keep the numbers up because no one is coming in via the preaching work anymore.
Either way, there's no Grand Increase anymore.
Something is "speeding up in it's own time", but it's not what they expected.
jehovahs witnesses and the goddard enquiry made the news on bbc radio 4. it talks about how they've deliberately destroyed evidence after being told to hand them over to the courts.. listen to the first minute then fast forward to 33mins:.
https://youtu.be/5sz7szs8sei.
WT statement to the BBC reporters at 42:00 onwards:
"Congregation elders diligently abide by legal responsibilities that rest upon them."
The WT do not explain any legal responsibilities that rest on these untrained, legally ignorant elders, and statements like this from the WT are simply throwing elders under the bus by saying these responsibilities rest upon THEM. This, despite the WT having complete and unchallengable control over the actions of the elders in every single congregational decision they make.
What's their phrase for everything? "Call the WT Legal Department."
When under legal pressure it changes to "Don't look at us, look at the elders."
Cowards.
did you notice the expression "intelligent disobedience" in the febuary 2017 broadcast (at 7:30)?.
it was used with the illustration of a guide dog for blind persons, that sometimes has to disobey it's owner.. what a fine example for us!
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"You know, we can compare our training, our power of reason, to a blind person using a guide dog. Now an untrained dog would be very helpful to a blind person. It would bark when others were around, for example. However a dog trained in specific skills is amazingly helpful. The dog knows when to stop at curbs, walk around obstacles that the person right (sic) run their head into. A guide dog is also taught a skill called 'intelligent disobedience', and even if the blind person encourages the dog forward it won't obey, but it will pull the person back from danger.
Now, it can take a year or more of training for the dog to learn the amazing skills that are so helpful to a blind person. Likewise, our raw, untrained power of reason can help us to a degree. However, it can be amazing if we take the time to train it."
i'm hoping to start a series of posts refuting common, fallacious jw reasoning that they repeat to support their teachings or defend their organization.
in this first installment i will be tackling the common fallacious analogy used by them to equate eating blood with receiving a transfusion.
feel free to share your own refutations on each thread.. "if a doctor tells you to abstain from alcohol you wouldn't go injecting it into your veins, would you?".
"If a doctor told you to abstain from meat, would you have an organ transplant in order to save your life?"
I've used this before and it literally just kills the discussion dead.
i love math, i love calendars, and somehow, this always gets me.. 2520 - 607 = 1913. not 1914.. 2520 - 606 = 1914. from what i understand, russell realized this.
he had previously used 606 bc, of course, but then he switched it to 607 bc.
i know there was something about no zero year, so it actually should be less one, correct?.
From 607 BCE I understand how the 2520 years can add up to 1914, but I don't understand the arguments against the WT years calculation.
The WT say there are 2520 years from 607 BCE (forget that this isn't a correct date to start with).
It doesn't mention months or gregorian or lunar or anything, just "years".
If I were to ask a Jewish person "what year will it be in 15 years time?" they would look at their calendar, do their sums, and tell us the year. They wouldn't convert to lunar, misplace the leap-months, start adding days etc, they would just add 15 Jewish years to get a result.
The 2520 years is the same.
To my mind this is a non-argument that any JW can demolish just by adding 2520 years to 607 BCE.
The Jewish new year, Rosh Hashanah, is always in autumn. This is in the month of Tishri and corresponds typically to some time in September but occasionally October. It was instituted as a celebration in Lev 23:24-25.
Add 2520 autumns (Jewish years) to any Gregorian date, and you get the date 2520 years later.
To conflate this with all the lunar, leap, Jewish, Gregorian stuff is exactly what WT do to prove a point.
The fatal error in WT calculations is 607 BCE, not the 2520 year calculation.
so, you left because of a bad example(s).. why all the whining?
nothing better to do with your time?.
you at least know far more about the bible than any church-goer?.
people refusing to think call those that DO "trolls".
JW's refusing to think call those that DO "apostates".
