Elsewhere, the NIV places the creation of the animals in the past tense. "Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all of the beasts of the field." It doesn't say that he did that after he created Adam, only that he had done it at some point. It goes on to state that he brought them to Adam for him to name. So I do not see the contradiction.
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26Creation Story Contradiction
by JosephAlward inthe two different creation stories in genesis contradict each other in the matter of the order of the creation of man and vegetation.
in the first story, vegetation was created on the third day, and three days later man was created.
however, in the second creation story, there was no vegetation before man.
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Holy Week Rocks
by RWC inas some of you may know this week is the most holy week in the christian faith.
it is the week that jesus, true god and yet true man, willingly gave up his life including all of the pain that went with his cruel death, to save us from our sins.
he opened the door for all to be saved and have eternal life.
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Funkyderek,
When a person becomes a Christian he learns that it becomes his responsibility to forgive those who he has wronged and to ask for forgiveness for his own sins. He should be concerned with you forgiving him simply because he chose to believe. The true act of understanding the Christian faith is to understand that we are all sinners in need of forgiveness. By accepting the sacrifice of his Son, are sins are forgiven and we are reconciled with God.
You are wrong in your assumption that I believe without evidence. The evidence is more than suffcicient for me and billions around the globe. That evidence has been discussed in other threads throughout this board but if you want to engage it again I will be happy to do so.
Peacefulpete, I do not always agree with what you say, but I will say that I enjoy your posts. They are insightful and balanced. I do agree that if religion becomes more important that the ultimate goal of Christianity that we will have lost site of the true mission. That would be like tyelling an alchololic that his problem is his choice of Beer.
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Holy Week Rocks
by RWC inas some of you may know this week is the most holy week in the christian faith.
it is the week that jesus, true god and yet true man, willingly gave up his life including all of the pain that went with his cruel death, to save us from our sins.
he opened the door for all to be saved and have eternal life.
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Funkyderek,
I don't see why this is so complicated. Surely you "get" it, but are choosing not to believe it. The plan is like this: God created a perfect world and in it he put man who he gave free will to follow God or not. Man chose not to follow God's directions and sin entered the world. This sin seperated us from God. All are born with this original sin and must be reconciled to God. Since there is nothing we can do through deed are good works to overcome this, God sent his son to pay the sacrifice in our place. Now through believing in him we can be reconciled to God. It was the ultimate sacrifice done in our place.
I do not believe that you are so arrogant to think that you have done nothing wrong in your life. That you have never wronged anyone or hurt their feelings, yelled without cause, said something hurtful, or in anyway acted in such a manner to hurt someone else. That would be classified as a sin. So even if you do not want to believe in the original sin, you have fallen short of the perfection that God would require but for the perfection of Jesus.
Now you must be honest that you have made the choice not to belive. You hav been exposed to religious training and the Bible, the evidence of God's existence and his word has been given to you. You chose not to belive under the quise of you need more evidence.
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Creation Story Contradiction
by JosephAlward inthe two different creation stories in genesis contradict each other in the matter of the order of the creation of man and vegetation.
in the first story, vegetation was created on the third day, and three days later man was created.
however, in the second creation story, there was no vegetation before man.
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AChristian correctly explained this one. In addition to what he said, there is also the thought that the plants here are those that required cultivation, not wild plants or other vegatation that appeared on "day" three.
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Holy Week Rocks
by RWC inas some of you may know this week is the most holy week in the christian faith.
it is the week that jesus, true god and yet true man, willingly gave up his life including all of the pain that went with his cruel death, to save us from our sins.
he opened the door for all to be saved and have eternal life.
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Funkyderek, Jesus died on the cross for the sins of all including those in the future. Yours included. Sin is a wrong against God. It seperates us from him and without the reconcilation of Jesus, we would never bridge that gap. That is why Jesus is our Savior.
Sins come in all shape and sizes, some serious and some not so serious, but ever since the fall of man, we have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. So nobody but Jesus has ever been born without sin.
You can choose not to believe it and that is your free will. But it is a gift that has already been made available to you.
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Holy Week Rocks
by RWC inas some of you may know this week is the most holy week in the christian faith.
it is the week that jesus, true god and yet true man, willingly gave up his life including all of the pain that went with his cruel death, to save us from our sins.
he opened the door for all to be saved and have eternal life.
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As some of you may know this week is the most holy week in the Christian faith. It is the week that Jesus, true God and yet true man, willingly gave up his life including all of the pain that went with his cruel death, to save us from our sins. He opened the door for all to be saved and have eternal life. It is a truly remarkable story of reconciliation and redemption. To anyone who has had even the least amount of interest in the Christian faith it is this death and ressurection of our Savoir that sets this faith apart.
During this time of the Passion I extend to all of you, atheists included, the true spirit of this week and pray that all may find the joy that this time represents.
God Bless
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Was Noah's Flood Local?
by JosephAlward inachristian believes those who think the bible teaches that the flood was global look foolish.
he wrote, .
i encourage all christians to investigate the possibility that the bible does not really teach that the whole earth was flooded at the time of noah.
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Joseph, I stay out of these flood threads for the most part because I contend that the idea of a global verses a "local" flood are a matter of interpretation and we may never know which interpretation is correct and was intended. But I could not resist this one.
Whether a man such as Noah telling the story from his perspective believed that the flood was global would make a lot of sense. He did not have satellite images of the globe. The Bible does not tell us that God told him it was local, so you are assuming that he would have too know that. The more logical assumption is that he believed it was global.
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Just As In the Days of Noah
by Farkel insince the bible makes it clear that jesus believed in the scriptural account of the flood and since the evidence that a worldwide flood as described in that same scriptural account would have been virtually impossible, why should anyone trust jesus to be man's redeemer and the only begotten son of god?.
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Joseph, This is an interesting article. however if you read it close it fails to say two things. One, when the story of Babylon first originated and two, how it made its way to Canaan. The article states that the first part of the epic derives from the second millienium B.C. It doesn't say when it ws written down.If you have any additional information on this I would like to see it.
It is known that the Noah account was an oral tradition of the Hebrew nation long before it was written, so how do we know who copied from who?
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Forty Days Motif
by JosephAlward inafter the flood which lasted forty days, it seems that there were an unusual number of bible events lasting exactly forty days.
there are eighteen separate events of duration greater than ten days, and 61% of the time the event lasted exactly forty days.
only seven of eighteen events did not last forty days [1], while the other eleven lasted forty days [2].
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Joseph, You can go further by looking at the number forty. You will notice that the writers also used forty years alot. But there is a reason for this. Generations were commonly referred to as forty years.In these instances, the Bible is not attempting necessarily to make an exact chronology. The same may be true for the forty days that you mention. We may not know if those were a literal forty days or a symbolic passage of time.
But from there, I know you make the leap that the events never happened. So how do you get there?
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Question for Atheists
by RWC inchristians who believe in the bible and the teachings of christ use that as a moral core and code of conduct.
for those who don't believe in god, where do you get your sense of moral right and wrong?
what is your moral foundation?
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I realize I started this, but you guys have taken it far further than I anticipated. Thank you.
I do have a question. Are you considering humanism akin to a religion?
It seems to me that there will never be a transition from theism to humanism. The more things swing away from religion in a culture, inevitably they swing back. I do not think that the majority of man will ever look to his fellow humans for the needs that are filled by a belief in God. The idea that we are becoiming so enlightened that we will one day be able to rely upon ourselves is thinking that has come and gone again and again throughout history.