Yes cos as far as they are concerned I am still approved. In fact I have been asked to help serve.
It's a right pain having to tread so carefully and slowly so as not to suddenly escalate matters to a point where I lose all my friends and family.
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Is there a 'third' way to leave?
by Splash inonce baptised, apart from death there are really just two ways to leave the congregation: df or da.. but notice this quote:.
"does he really desire to disassociate himself, or does he simply no longer want to associate actively with the congregation?".
- shepherd the flock of god (2010) p. 111. .
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Thanks Blondie...
Yup, as I thought - no official statement to the R&F at congregational level.
The news reports and WT responses you mentioned are what I was referring to and if you have not seen these then it is quite feasible that you would not have any idea there has been a change.
There are still witnesses around who would not trust a WT statement that was reported in the news media and would not accept it anyway.
I am amazed that over 12 years after this procedural change was brought in there has been no formal announcement via the WT, KM or even in a DC/CA/SAD talk.
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What is it about the game Soccer that brings out the most destructive behaviour of a minority of fans,which seems to be a global problem
by smiddy inin europe ,south america ,and elsewhere ,riotous behaviour seems to go hand in hand with soccer fans , destruction of property and even death has occured why is that ?
we have just recently had an episode at etihad stadium in melbourne this past weekend where thousands of dollars damage was caused and flares ignited which could have caused injury to spectators,who , would have included families with children who just wanted to enjoy the game .i beleive their were something like 40000 spectators present ,which in all fairness mostly were well behaved,except for this lawless minority.. melbourne is not used to this behaviour at sporting events ,many of our events host thousands more spectators without anywhere near the trouble that was had at the weekend .. australian rules football , afl in victoria ,certainly produces fanatical supporters , me included , at some games 60 , 80, 100,000 in attendance ,yet never apart from a fight breaking out here or their , have we ever experienced something like that .. so , what is wrong with soccer league fans .
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konceptual99
Sorry to say Rubadub but you simply don't understand football... ;-)
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Is there a 'third' way to leave?
by Splash inonce baptised, apart from death there are really just two ways to leave the congregation: df or da.. but notice this quote:.
"does he really desire to disassociate himself, or does he simply no longer want to associate actively with the congregation?".
- shepherd the flock of god (2010) p. 111. .
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As a side point, I don't recall ever seeing in publically available WT material that taking a blood transfusion is a "disassociation by actions" offence. I know it's in the Shepherd book and it was referred to in some WT responses to UK news reports a few years ago related to JWs supposedly stopping the no blood policy but I don't recall it ever being formally announced to the R&F through the WT or on the platform. As far as I know an uninformed witness could still have the understanding that it's a DF offence.
I might be wrong - no doubt someone will throw me a reference...
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Is there a 'third' way to leave?
by Splash inonce baptised, apart from death there are really just two ways to leave the congregation: df or da.. but notice this quote:.
"does he really desire to disassociate himself, or does he simply no longer want to associate actively with the congregation?".
- shepherd the flock of god (2010) p. 111. .
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konceptual99
Real bugbear of mine this one. I hate it when dubs use the "disassociated by their actions" line to justify shunning ones who are not DF'ed or formally DA'ed but simply inactive. An individual JW always has the perogative (rightly or wrongly), as dictated by their conscience, to limit their association with one who is baptised but living the life of a worldly person - however there is no formal scriptual basis for doing so. There's not even a procedual, legalistic WT basis for it either.
I've called elders out on this and used the above reference as well as the org book to prove it. The CO backed me up on this as well.
I've also had big discussions about inactive ones being "in the truth" and doing things like "marrying out of the lord". The current consensus, as backed up by the Shepherd book, is that an inactive person (even if out for years) is marrying out of the lord if they get married to a non Witness. I can't see it since they are scriptually out of the "truth", not being "in the Lord" anymore (as per Witness definitions). As far as I can see you can't have it both ways.
Anyways.. I don't mean to hijack the thread just to confirm what Blondie is pointing out - i.e. even the legalistic WT definition is clear about what you have to do to disassociate yourself. The only exceptions are joining the military, another church or similar org whose goals are not consistent with the WT and having a non WT approved blood transfusion.
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What is it about the game Soccer that brings out the most destructive behaviour of a minority of fans,which seems to be a global problem
by smiddy inin europe ,south america ,and elsewhere ,riotous behaviour seems to go hand in hand with soccer fans , destruction of property and even death has occured why is that ?
we have just recently had an episode at etihad stadium in melbourne this past weekend where thousands of dollars damage was caused and flares ignited which could have caused injury to spectators,who , would have included families with children who just wanted to enjoy the game .i beleive their were something like 40000 spectators present ,which in all fairness mostly were well behaved,except for this lawless minority.. melbourne is not used to this behaviour at sporting events ,many of our events host thousands more spectators without anywhere near the trouble that was had at the weekend .. australian rules football , afl in victoria ,certainly produces fanatical supporters , me included , at some games 60 , 80, 100,000 in attendance ,yet never apart from a fight breaking out here or their , have we ever experienced something like that .. so , what is wrong with soccer league fans .
smiddy.
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I love football. Am a season ticket holder at my local Championship club. There is a great atmosphere there and overall is family friendly. There are aspects of football banter culture that can go too far but it does not spoil things for me and my kids.
I did see this however and have to say I've never felt this angry about a game...
** WARNING - very funny but lots of pwoper nawty words. Having said that, since she's from Glasgow you probably won't understand her **
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-17-2013 WT Study (TEMP RESIDENTS)
by blondie inunited nations http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm.
6. in what sense can jehovahs witnesses be.
residents, and of what?.
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Thanks Blondie for your hard work as usual.
I almost laughed outloud in the meeting when I read the 1 in 650 bit. I thought it was a really interesting way of wording how many memorial partakers there were. It's a neat dodge around actually printing around 12000 people partook and reminding/alerting everyone reading the watchtower to the fact this number is so much higher than it was before.
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Were/Are you and Elder, MS, CO, Bethelite, etc.? (Please check in here)
by El_Guapo ini'm sure alot of you have noticed, the influx of new jwn members with "postitions within the cong" this is amazing, i myself am still an m.s.
working to get removed.
lol my wife (who has been really supportive throughout my fade) asked my why i am doing i decided to fade?.
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MS and have been for well over 20 years. Never toed the line enough to be an elder. Trying to step down at the moment.
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''Spiritual high(TM)'' after an a$$emb£y anyone?
by punkofnice ini remember having been to a convention or a$$emby for however many days and when i came back i didn't want to go back to work/school because i felt on a buzz.. what was that all about????.
any ideas?
anyone else get that?.
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konceptual99
George, I don't think she would have been allowed into the convention. She's not wearing a badge.
Some years ago we were at Southampton District Convention and a guy walked in wearing only a pair of trunks. No one had stopped him and he certainly was not wearing a badge! I nudged my wife and said "this guy's trouble". Sure enough within a few seconds he ran on to the pitch, dropped his trunks and gave the attendants a good run around before they caught him.
It was the highlight of the convention for many a bored sister I'm sure!
George
I was at the same convention George. Great fun. Were you at Southampton when the sister said "shit" by accident from the platform. It was manna for us teenagers at the time!
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Not on JW.org. Newly baptised JW jailed for fraud....
by konceptual99 inthis chap recently got baptised.
quite how he managed not to tell the elders he was going to court the week after his baptism i don't know.
http://www.worthingherald.co.uk/news/local/former-worthing-councillor-jailed-for-18-months-1-4751570.
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Nope. He went off with the wife of a witness. He started studying as she worked towards being reinstated after they got married.