Many start off with integrity I'm sure but after decades as an elder with all the infighting and stepping on heads how could a person keep their integrity? I can imagine the ones with real integrity would leave or perhaps they would get ill, 'step down' and muddle along as a member of the walking wounded without the ability to now work out what the hell is going on in the organisation they once loved.
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How much real Integrity does the average JW have ?
by Phizzy inconsider the definition of integrity given below :.
" the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.. "a gentleman of complete integrity".
synonyms:.
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what type of faith do you REALLY want?
by atheist_R_stupid ini find that when talking people who say they "used to be a jehovah's witness" they say words that show they have in fact, never been one.
it's like a man that worked for the post office for 30 years in a main major urban hub like chicago or new york... and you ask him, "in your last position, what was your rdo?
" and the man says "whats an rdo?".
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Oh I see, he can't cope with the cognitive dissonance that the personal experiences of bethelites, elders, pioneers and many JW families on here are causing him so he has decided to pretend we are all fakes who were never in the religion and are making all our stories up. -
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Lets pretend jw's disappeared
by atheist_R_stupid inand joined your ranks.... this means...youre talking about a people, that currently are pushing no sex till marriage.
that would end and join into the messages you currently push regarding youths and sex.
that would be sex, with condoms.
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Am I going to debate with you? No, you are a very angry person full of hate but you think we are the haters. Get help. -
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Lets pretend jw's disappeared
by atheist_R_stupid inand joined your ranks.... this means...youre talking about a people, that currently are pushing no sex till marriage.
that would end and join into the messages you currently push regarding youths and sex.
that would be sex, with condoms.
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Not been reading here long have you? There are all sorts of people here, some who belong to human rights organisations, like Amnesty that get many JWs out of prison because they're prisoners of conscience in nasty little republics.
We have all different opinions on alcohol, health, abortion, gay people, there is no consensus here. You have a 'them and us' mentality when in reality we are just all trying to survive on this planet and make it a better place or at least make our own families happy.
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RELIGION AND MENTAL ILLNESS!!!
by ADJUSTMENTS ini have have come to realize most "rank and file" jw's are mentally unstable-to-ill and here is why.... http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/mental-issues.php.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/religious_delusion.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/religion_and_schizophrenia.
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It's a strange thing but if a JW was asked what they believe by a mental health professional they could say they believe Jesus is their invisible King and any day now he's going to kill everyone on earth who isn't a JW. That isn't delusional according to the DSM. They can even say they talk to invisible people and that's ok too. The criteria for having a mental health problem is you must think the invisible people are talking to you. However you can talk to them all day long and you are perfectly well, just religious. -
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Why I like Jehovah's Witnesses
by undercover witness ini keep reading that jehovah's witnesses are in effect monsters.
i keep reading that they kinda leave chaos and distrust in their wake.
so i simply wondered if anyone had anything nice to say about them?.
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A work colleague asked me yesterday how my mother being a JW and my father not converting affected them. Very badly I said, it ruined their marriage, which had a huge effect on their four children. Ever spent time in a tiny house with two miserable people? Try doing it for twenty years.
The religion breaks up marriages. Or rather because of its divorce rules it makes couples stay together who are desperately miserable and ruins precious childhood years. You like this religion? You know nothing.
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RELIGION AND MENTAL ILLNESS!!!
by ADJUSTMENTS ini have have come to realize most "rank and file" jw's are mentally unstable-to-ill and here is why.... http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/mental-issues.php.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/religious_delusion.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/religion_and_schizophrenia.
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Not to mention the effects it has on the rest of the body apart from the brain. My cousin has never been in the JWs and I heard from her that one of my sisters has fibromyalgia, ME and now a stomach ulcer. My other sister has type 2 diabetes but then she is about 20 stone. My brother is piling on the weight and was sloshing down the booze at my cousins wedding anniversary party. Happiest people in the world
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dozens of copies of CoC
by Xanthippe inthere are dozens of copies of crisis of conscience on this site abebooks.co.uk, second hand from 4. .
they are shipped from the us but although there is a us version of this site i can't find it on the search function no matter what i put in.. anyway for my fellow brits cheap copies here: - .
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/searchresults?an=raymond+franz&sts=t&tn=crisis+of+conscience.
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Love that picture Watchtowerfree. Yes just to reiterate what Doc says if you are lurking and you haven't read it yet please do. If you have been told Ray Franz was a GBmember who left and then wrote an apostate book that got him disfellowshipped that is not true .
He was disfellowshipped ostensibly for eating a meal with a close friend who was disassociated. The real reason being he had been on the research committee for a book called Aid to Bible Understanding and he realised the 'seven times' prophecy taking us from 607BCE to 1914 was wrong. Obviosly he couldn't keep quiet about that, being an honest man, so they got rid of him. It was later he wrote this book. Do read It.
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dozens of copies of CoC
by Xanthippe inthere are dozens of copies of crisis of conscience on this site abebooks.co.uk, second hand from 4. .
they are shipped from the us but although there is a us version of this site i can't find it on the search function no matter what i put in.. anyway for my fellow brits cheap copies here: - .
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/searchresults?an=raymond+franz&sts=t&tn=crisis+of+conscience.
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There are dozens of copies of Crisis of Conscience on this site abebooks.co.uk, second hand from £4.
They are shipped from the US but although there is a US version of this site I can't find it on the search function no matter what I put in.
Anyway for my fellow Brits cheap copies here: -
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=Raymond+franz&sts=t&tn=Crisis+of+conscience
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What do YOU desperately need, but you've been putting it off?
by TerryWalstrom ini don't know why, but i put off getting a haircut way longer than i should.. i might go as long as 5 or 6 months between haircuts.. i desperately need a haircut.. what do you desperately need, but you've been putting it off?.
(disclaimer: minimus is going to be jealous.
this sort of question is his tradmark :).
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Xanthippe
A mojito sounds delicious. With white rum I also love a a piña colada. Rum, pineapple juice and coconut juice. I want mine with a sparkler