I get it Gorby. The tangled up doctrines do my head in. Oops sorry British midland idioms. I'm glad you're surrounded by good people. Life's good when beliefs don't matter. We're all just people trying to do life the best we can eh?
Xanthippe
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Do you recognize?
by Gorbatchov ingorby has had a personal paradigm shift lately.. from one point to an other i "feel" and "think" different about the jw subject.. - no more interest in doctrine.
- no more interest in things that happen 100 years ago into an religion.. - no more taking statements too serious.
it doesn't matter me at all what a generation doctrine change is all about, it doesn't matter me at all that brother elder said "blablabla boe!".
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Reading The Bible Again After Leaving
by pale.emperor inat the moment i dont beleive in anything.
im pretty much an open book, but my critical mind is very alert to bullshit.
but anyway i decided to re-read the bible with a non jw filter.. i researched online first which is supposed to be the best translation out there.
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Xanthippe
It's a precious time finding the freedom to do your own research and think for yourself. I almost envy you this new feeling of starting again. We did this, read the Bible with a nonJW Hebrew and Greek interlinear from a Christian bookshop and some encyclopaedias (pre-Internet). I actually still have that interlinear and still feel an affection for it because it helped me on my way. Thanks for letting us know how it's going I was getting worried when you didn't come back to your other thread.
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Are you sad or angry?
by raven inafter exiting the org, i mean cult, how have each of you felt personally about the lies you had been taught, the hurt from feeling betrayed by these people, actual hopes of once believed false teachings, rose colored lenses of seemingly just and right doctrines that turned out to be a bunch of horse $#!+, the shunning of family and friends?
right now i am going through the motions, i've just moved to a new home, which means hopefully no more elders searching for me at my previous address.. i can't help but feel sad though right now because of the fact that although i am not df'd ( maybe the elders will do it in absentia assuming i've been avoiding them and the 2 jc's they've invited me to as well as the last handwritten letter at my door before i moved ) my mom treats me as though i am dead to her, she says " i am living the life of a disfellowshipped person, and until i come back to jehovah this is how things will be because this was my choice to leave jehovah " ok i get it, but i don't- everyone has free will, so yes this was my choice but it is also her choice to shun me, especially after the "shun unrepentant wrongdoers" talk at the rc, funny how they come out with these talks to reel members back in.. she claims that she has an obligation to jehovah of which she promised to him after she was baptized not at 11, 13, or 17 ( young ages ) but fricken 26 years old.
i absolutely hate this organization and everything that it is, it's taken away my family and most importantly my own mother.. i always thought that a mothers love was to be unconditional, but hers for me is only conditional.
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Xanthippe
Raven, cults that make mothers treat their children as if dead are absolutely despicable. I feel your sadness in your post. Just don't let it make you feel as if you're not worthy of being loved because your mother rejected you. That is a deep pain.
You have your partner, he loves you. Your new home and your new job! You achieved all this while leaving the cult and coping with your JW family, well done you! Stunning accomplishments. You should be proud of yourself.
It hurts, bring shunned by a mother. It will turn to anger, yes, eventually but anger gives you strength to cope. Really it will. Hang in there, nobody knows what the future holds, she may change. She may not, mine didn't, but you should have a great life anyway and know that lots of people have done it and made it. You'll be fine, look how much you've achieved already. Just be kind to yourself while you still feel sad, this takes time.
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This religion has a chance of survival
by Socrateswannabe inthe jws could survive as an organization due to one vital human need: recognition.
for decades this religion glorified the older ones and really didn't do much for the younger folks, hence the younger people left in droves.
if you're middle-aged or older, what was the average age of the elders in your congregation or your circuit overseer, as you were growing up?
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Xanthippe
Again,any shift in those who hold power involves men - no change though in their more passive roles for women who comprise well over half of the rank and file.
Steve2 what I didn't understand until I had a child was that women are very motivated by the incredibly strong need to protect their children. So as the Borg keeps creating this bunker mentality in the R+F it target women's protective instincts.
I was terrified of the great tribulation when I was in. Public talks about torture and how many of us would be dragged away to prison until 'it touched Jehovah's eyeball' or something and then he brings the big A.
I can imagine how frightening that is for women with young kids. So must stay faithful to be protected and save their kids, I guess.
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What Songs Best Fit you when you learned TATT and Afterwards?
by Wasanelder Once inthe work of john lennon best fit my situation.
first, i found out.
i found out.
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Xanthippe
When I first learned TTATT? Queen's I'm going slightly mad!
For a while when I still believed in God but stopped believing in Divine intervention, I identified with Bette Midler's God is watching us from a distance
Now, it depends. On good days, Louis Armstrong's What a wonderful world and We have all the time in the world.
Some days Oasis, I'm outta time.
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Anti snake venom
by Chook inwhat was wt view on anti venom in old days, considering it was made from blood.
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Xanthippe
I'm glad you're okay Chook.
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Anti snake venom
by Chook inwhat was wt view on anti venom in old days, considering it was made from blood.
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Xanthippe
Way back I think the WTS guideline was ... Keep away from snakes,
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Charity commission UK
by zeb ingood afternoon,.
i am writing to provide you with an update on our work on charities here in england & wales linked to jehovah’s witnesses.
i know that this email will end up in many different parts of the world – i hope that wherever you are, it is as nice and sunny as it is today in london.. first and foremost, a huge thank you to everyone who has come forward.
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Xanthippe
Zeb thanks very much for sharing this.
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Happiness and Freedom On A Paradise Earth?
by Disassociated Lady 2 inat a recent meeting there was a watchtower article about life in paradise.
they were saying that even when witnesses finally get there they will still be under the strict instructions from the elders and gb.
they may be given jobs that they will find unpleasant, also the preaching work will be ongoing because of all the resurrected people who need to learn about why they are given another chance.
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Xanthippe
Oh I see, science fiction writer. Do you mean my avatar? Xanth? No Xanthippe, wife of Socrates. I have fond memories of reading Plato leading up to leaving the Borg.
I loved the Socratic Method and I realised for the first time that discussing what it means to be a good person, 'a just man', was going on in 400 BC and didn't start with Jesus or Paul. It was another nail in the JW coffin.
Actually Piers Anthony looks good, similar to Terry Pratchett but a bit naughtier..
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Happiness and Freedom On A Paradise Earth?
by Disassociated Lady 2 inat a recent meeting there was a watchtower article about life in paradise.
they were saying that even when witnesses finally get there they will still be under the strict instructions from the elders and gb.
they may be given jobs that they will find unpleasant, also the preaching work will be ongoing because of all the resurrected people who need to learn about why they are given another chance.
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Xanthippe
Yes I agree doublethink is the likely answer. Politicians use it all the time. I don't know who Piers Anthony is I'm afraid.