i went to a jw funeral today.
it was the worst ever.
about two minutes talking about the life of the deceased and the rest about the borg.
The speaker basically said that if they wanted to see the deceased in the resurection any who were qualified couldnt be inactive in the ministry. Something like that. Basically a threat
Yes Hoser the same thing was said to me in a letter a few months ago from a 'friend' of my husband. She encouraged me to return saying the new system is very close and then she said you do want to see (my deceased husband) again don't you? I told her it was emotional blackmail.
Phizzy LOL.
ok so you got out of the watchtower society after discerning it was false.
what is amazing is how many have turned their back on the king or was it they had no faith in the first place and the spiritual food they received did not help them stand upon a rock.
jesus the christ your saviour is a living breathing being with emotions.
One would also think it would be reasonable that Jesus would reward such faith, even if was mistaken, once a person left. Alas, for many, such as yourself it doesn't work out that way.
Exactly Randy, that was just how I felt. The feeling of being abandoned was intense when all I had done was give my heart and soul to doing God's will, or so I believed.
ok so you got out of the watchtower society after discerning it was false.
what is amazing is how many have turned their back on the king or was it they had no faith in the first place and the spiritual food they received did not help them stand upon a rock.
jesus the christ your saviour is a living breathing being with emotions.
If you knew him before you decided to leave achurch or whatever you would have still looked for him, so im suggesting you did notknow him at all. But now you are free who's fault is it if you are not looking for
him.
Those that love him go through anguish over and over to follow him.
I did look for him, I went through hell but I remember the day I just felt, there's nobody there. Always the guilt tripping with religious people. I loved God and Jesus and I sacrificed my life to pioneer but when I realised that way of life was rubbish where were THEY? I didn't rationalise them away with study, the research came later. When I left the JWs there was just my husband and myself, no God or Jesus helping us, no ex-JW friends, no internet, it was hard. Cassuk, I thought I knew the Messiah before but when I looked for him there was nobody there.
This has ended up looking like I feel really sorry for myself. That's not my intention. I just wanted to show Cassuk that we did go through terrible anguish trying to find God and Jesus but we couldn't find them - then we started reading.
ok so you got out of the watchtower society after discerning it was false.
what is amazing is how many have turned their back on the king or was it they had no faith in the first place and the spiritual food they received did not help them stand upon a rock.
jesus the christ your saviour is a living breathing being with emotions.
WHy Have You Turned YOur Back On The Messiah
I didn't know I had turned my back on him or if I am looking straight at him because I can't see him. I can't hear him or feel him.
i believe we may all be surprized at the final outcome of this case.... as you may already know, arnold schwarzennegar appointed robert mcguiness as superior court judge in 2005. mcguinness is the judge in the candace conti case.. it is widely known that arnold scharzennegar is a high-ranking freemason with direct ties to the rothschild family (primary shareholders of the watchtower corporation).
judge robert mcguinness comes from a family of powerful and influential irish freemasons who also enjoy strong ties to the rothschild family.. so this could go south very quickly for candace in the next few days.... .
my husband showed some of my work to artists exhibiting in this years open studio event and i have been asked to submit work for next year.
as soon as the children go back to school i will be busy with the isograph pens.
as a witness i gave up my art studies and my dream of fine art because it was not appropriate for a witness.
Beautiful work Nugget, so glad you are going to exhibit.
how many of us have had to deal with a version of that retort?!
it's hurtful and i suspect - for some - that's partly because of the nagging feeling that our families may have a point.. but do they?.
i was 15 when i got baptised, is it reasonable that as the 50 year old man i'll be on my next birthday i continue to be held to a decision i made as a schoolboy?.
I decided to leave my religion, not my family. They chose to shun me. They decided to obey men instead of their natural human feelings toward their sister. Everyone is entitled to decide what they believe.
i know there are some here that are going through some tough times.
some of you do not believe in god.
some are not sure.. i was told recently by a friend to pray to god for help and he would comfort me.. my first impulse is to pray.
Thanks for letting us know you are ok, love. You are so right you don't have anything left to give. Just look after yourself and don't think about tomorrow.
i know there are some here that are going through some tough times.
some of you do not believe in god.
some are not sure.. i was told recently by a friend to pray to god for help and he would comfort me.. my first impulse is to pray.
Miss.Fit you are exhausted darling. You need to rest and rest. Please don't think of leaving your daughter on her own. My daughter is starting college at the end of this month too. It is what we have worked hard for isn't it? She needs you sooo much, don't leave her on her own. You need to rest, please don't harm yourself. Let us know if you are ok.
in his book, "the moral landscape" sam harris argues that you can in fact get "an ought from an is".. the split between facts and values is an illusion.. he challenges the assumption that science has nothing to say about objective morality, which he defines as our thinking about the well-being of conscious creatures.. personally i found his book to be compelling; all the arguments against it that i have read so far are based on misunderstandings of his thesis.
i hve quoted harris a couple of times when he said to his critics that he didn't want to be wrong any longer than necessary.
in that spirit he has offered $10,000 to anybody who can refute the central argument of his book in 1000 words or less.
For those unfamiliar with my book, here is my argument in brief: Morality and values depend on the existence of conscious minds—and specifically on the fact that such minds can experience various forms of well-being and suffering in this universe. Conscious minds and their states are natural phenomena, of course, fully constrained by the laws of Nature (whatever these turn out to be in the end).
Therefore, there must be right and wrong answers to questions of morality and values that potentially fall within the purview of science. On this view, some people and cultures will be right (to a greater or lesser degree), and some will be wrong, with respect to what they deem important in life. - See more at: http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/response-to-critics#sthash.KWAkXJTI.dpuf
What can I say,I like this man,I like his mind. To me morality is about reducing suffering and increasing happiness, for everyone. That is what morality should be about, to my mind. I studied the idea begun in Victorian times called Utilitarianism advocated by Jeremy Bentham and politician John Stuart Mill. The basic concept is bringing the greatest happiness to the greatest number of people. Who could argue with that? Now the problem is when you try to please all of the people all of the time.
For example in the UK the government is cracking down on benefit thieves to increase the amount of dwindling resources to give out to the needy but sadly vulnerable people like the elderly and the disabled are slipping through the net and losing out. I cite this example because this is how it was explained to me in my degree that trying to bring the greatest happiness to the greatest number of people is a beautiful and practical application of fact (or science) based morality without resort to religion. The devil is in the detail of course!
