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  There's gotta be another faction in the Writing Department, either that or they can't see the irony.

  by Theocratic Sedition in

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  the past two week's worth of wt studies have made a couple points that appear contradictory in nature.

  yesterday was too much, i felt at least.

  either there's another faction within the writing department fighting for the equivalent of airtime in the literature, or they're all so indoctrinated that they fail to see the irony in what they publish.. for instance, take paragraph 5 from last week's lesson.. 5. unlike the law codes of many countries, "the perfect law" is neither complex nor burdensome but consists of simple commandements and principles.

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  I think they do this so when they are crtiicized they can turn to their magazine and say, see no one is controlling me, its says so on page 14 of the watchtower!
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  Who here lives in California?

  by TimothyT in

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  if you do tell me a bit about where you live in just a few words.

  :).

  timmy :).

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  that state where you never find a dancefloor empty

  and pimps be

  on the mission for them greens

  lean mean money making machines

  servin fiends

  ...ever since honeys was wearin sassoon

  ....keep it rockin.

  ....keep it rockin.

  Shake it shake it baby (Shake it baby)

  Frisco Frisco

  (sorry not in Cali just homesickly)
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  At what age do people 'wake up'?

  by Splash in

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  2. experiences

  i was thinking about this question recently after being at the meeting when new pioneers were announced for the 2013 service year.. we have a dozen or so pioneers in the congregation, and most are in their 20's.

  some absolutely love the things they are taught and can't wait to spread the good news.. others in the congregation are going through the motions, tired of hearing the same old same old but have no way to change things now.

  then there are a couple like me.

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  dear splash,

  I like many of your posts so

  At the risk of getting blasted here I do actually think that Jehovah will stop what's going on. But when, as we do not have a truthful framework to determine the time we live in?

  I am going to go for this here. I invite you to think outside the cult framework for just a moment. Please try.

  1. What if there is no one who will stop whats going on. What if each person is personally accountable and responsible, and actually powerful. Maybe there is no God, or if there is, how likely is it that he will make an appearance. Think of all the terrible, horrific things people have done to each other, holocausts, genocides, where this God has just observed passively. And despite what the WT teaches, you could be involved doing things which have a positive impact on other peoples lives.

  2. What if the time we live in is no different than any other time. We might just be more human beings living out our relatively short lives.

  3. What is the truthful framework to determine the time we live in. There are truthful frameworks, there is knowlege which is geologic, anthropologic, cosmic. The Bible may or may not be truthful, but is was definitely written in a specific, ancient context. The likelihood of you ever being able to understand the intended meaning of specific verses seems tiny. Have you ever read Shakespeare . Reading Shakespeare, so much of the metaphors and jokes go over our heads because it was written five hundred years ago. Yet it is still English so with a little help we can understand Shakespeare. The Bible on the other hand, written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic, is much more ancient and culturally unlike anything we can relate to in Western culture 2012. I say culturally because like all ancient holy books there is likely to be something to relate to ethically.

  Recently I attended a Bat Mitzvah (Jewish coming of age for a young woman). It was the first time I had ever been in a synagogue. If you ever attend one you will see that the JWs borrowed so much from this ancient, tribal, desert religion. Imagine these nomads wandering the ancient bible lands, being targeted by other groups and believing without a doubt they are gods chosen ones. So much of the language and outlook of the JWs comes from Judaism. The fear of persecution, the sense of being uniquely chosen. Yet the modern day Jewish people I know temper this cultural heritage with a SENSE OF HUMOR, something altogether lacking in the WTBTS.

  In short, splash-y, I do not want to blast you, I just want you to think outside the box, and if you are committed to the bible, dont be afraid to relate to other people and other groups who treasure the very same words you do. See how they do it. You are all carrying the same book. In fact that book only exists today because ancient Jews and ancient Christians cared enough to preserve it. Arent you curious. Curiosity is the way to wake up.
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  At what age do people 'wake up'?

  by Splash in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was thinking about this question recently after being at the meeting when new pioneers were announced for the 2013 service year.. we have a dozen or so pioneers in the congregation, and most are in their 20's.

  some absolutely love the things they are taught and can't wait to spread the good news.. others in the congregation are going through the motions, tired of hearing the same old same old but have no way to change things now.

  then there are a couple like me.

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  11.

  I had this friend at school who was mormon. He lived up to all JW standards, being in a high control group himself, and I was sure he loved God.

  He was polite, kind, funny, well-dressed. He was my first real worldly friend.

  I asked my parents if he would be killed at Armageddon.

  The answer was yes.

  I said if they really believed God would kill him, I could not believe in God.

  My mother became hysterical.

  For the next five years I was forced or coerced into attending meetings and field service, ending only when I threatened suicide.

  Part of why they emphasize not associating with worldly people is because sooner or later you meet someone who is a better person than you are, who you can admire and love, who definitely deserves to make it through the final smiting, but they will say cannot because they are not JW. Can you imagine an omniscient, omnipotent God being so petty ?

  FTR as an elders kid I was giving solo service metg talks around age 7 or 8, so my pre teen childhood was a real wash- an exercise in making mom and dad look holier.
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  5 Reasons Why the DEAF Masturbation Video is different than anything before...

  by BluePill2 in

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  2. friends

  as some of you have noticed the asl video warning against masturbation (another guilt trip) is creating waves.

  this is not small fry.

  1. it is humorous - most topics (like other policies) are serious/depressing (blood, shunning, pedos).

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  NO ONE is allowed to determine what causes offense to others, as what is not offensive to one person may not be offensive to another, and hence it's good to not go out of one's way to offend (for no good reason).

  this is silly.of course it is allowed to determine what offensive, thats why there are NC 17 movies, and actual laws about public nudity, and rules against masturbating on the city bus. Thats why freedom of speech ends at hate speech, with legalities against harassment, libel, defamation, even terrorism. Despite our subjectivity, the world does not operate in a paralysis of relativism. There are boundaries of what is offensive, and what is not. This video is a gem because it right on the boundary.
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  5 Reasons Why the DEAF Masturbation Video is different than anything before...

  by BluePill2 in

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  2. friends

  as some of you have noticed the asl video warning against masturbation (another guilt trip) is creating waves.

  this is not small fry.

  1. it is humorous - most topics (like other policies) are serious/depressing (blood, shunning, pedos).

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  Wait, wait, KS went to Berkeley- THAT EXPLAINS IT.

  Last time I was there some students were PROTESTING PANDA EXPRESS.
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  5 Reasons Why the DEAF Masturbation Video is different than anything before...

  by BluePill2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as some of you have noticed the asl video warning against masturbation (another guilt trip) is creating waves.

  this is not small fry.

  1. it is humorous - most topics (like other policies) are serious/depressing (blood, shunning, pedos).

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  If someone just wants to masturbate gesture I will laugh, if they do it to tell people masturbating will make God sad and then threaten them with annhiliation and shunning, its offensive.
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  What Did You Do As A Witness That Could Have Gotten You Into Trouble Had The Elders Ever Known About It?

  by minimus in

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  my elder buddy and i would frequent strip clubs when we wanted to.. a few friends knew i enjoyed clubbing and music concerts and i seldom ever spoke of my private social life to others.. i know many jws, including elders, that drank excessively but that wasn't considered too big a deal..

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  I developed psychic powers.
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  Bloodguilt

  by perfect1 in

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  recently i went to a public talk in the mafia capitol of the us- not where i grew up.. an italian american was the speaker, and the entire thing sounded like it was taken out of the godfather- especially as the keyword for that talk was bloodguilt.

  and was repeated a million times.

  now most people around me had fallen into the hypnotic trance which occurs in khs, and i was of course, alert and paying attention.. his logic was somehow that all religions except jws start wars and are bloodguilty, and then he got to the (logical) conclusion that we are all bloodguilty if we dont convert people to be jws.. it was a weird argument for sure- but add to that the accent and it was comical.. did hearing the talks in another language or dialect ever help you realize how silly its sounds- like a parody of itself.....

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  Recently I went to a public talk in the mafia capitol of the US- not where I grew up.

  An Italian American was the speaker, and the entire thing sounded like it was taken out of the Godfather- especially as the keyword for that talk was bloodguilt. And was repeated a million times.

  Now most people around me had fallen into the hypnotic trance which occurs in KHs, and I was of course, alert and paying attention.

  His logic was somehow that all religions except JWs start wars and are bloodguilty, and then he got to the (logical) conclusion that we are all bloodguilty if we dont convert people to be JWs.

  It was a weird argument for sure- but add to that the accent and it was comical.

  Did hearing the talks in another language or dialect ever help you realize how silly its sounds- like a parody of itself....
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  Incest

  by LoisLane looking for Superman in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  as a born in, one of my earliest thoughts has always been jehovah has an angel that writes down everything in a big book, all the good things that happen to me/others and everything bad that happens to me/others.

  i faithfully and honestly believed that.. in march of this year i read c of c. by 5 am the next morning i was out.

  24 hours before, a true, steadfast believer.

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  thank you for sharing your story.