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  Why does my family still interact with me?

  by stillstuckcruz in

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  here was my story posted originally about 2 years ago.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/205854/1/as-a-witness-what-view-of-the-world-did-you-have-heres-my-story.

  and my extended story on jwrecovery:.

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  krejames

  Just because someone is inactive does not mean they will be shunned tho they will likely not get invited socially so much. Just a further to reply to Roberta - I'm inactive and gay (still fading tho - I go to the occasional meeting). The elders, my family and some in my cong know - I have had five judicial committees but never D/fd. Everyone still interacts with me. Some more than others obviously there will always be a few hardcore in every cong. As has been said not all JWs are monsters. Any angst I feel is towards the GB not the rank and file. I have absolutely nothing bad to say about the elders in my cong either. not wishing to hijack the thread - just to point out that the OP is very believable as far as I'm concerned. Many JWs are not as hardcore or judgemental as they used to be in the old days. Having said that - if they knew I had a boyfriend it would be different story...lol
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  Question about talking to JW

  by darklight in

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  i was raised atheist and never believed in any religion.

  i've been studying the watchtower religion with a younger jw couple for some months now.. my main motivation was the fact i knew nothing about christianity, they knocked on my door and offered their "bible" study... so why not learn something, i thought.. .

  and yeah, this is one crazy cult.... .

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  krejames

  Welcome Darklight

  Why not say something like you read in their literature somewhere that there have been more earthquakes since 1914 than in all of history before that. Then say that you decided to check this out on the US Geographical Society website and it says that this isn't true (you can show them the webpage where it says the average has been pretty much the same every year on record). They might then frantically check the Reasoning Book p236. (That, from JW Facts, was a big "seed" for me).

  There are plenty of other subtle seeds you can plant. For example they will believe that JWs spoke out against Hitler's tyranny from the word go unlike those evil catholics . You won't need to look too hard through the literature for this kind of claim. You could say that on checking this out you found on wikipedia references to the 1934 Yearbook "declaration of Facts" and Rutherford's letter to Hitler (look up rutherford/hitler). You could say you're confused and wonder what their take on it is. You could say that it doesn't appear to be very politically neutral (references to US and UK as evil wild beast etc, while in support of Germany) (this was another biggie that got me thinking).

  Whatever they answer don't react as if you don't believe them, just remain puzzled and say "I'm sure there must be some explanation". Believe me they will go back to others and ask about this because they won't know what to say.

  Obviously this depends on whether you can be bothered hehe
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  A People for his name....no mention of The Rutherford/Hitler issue?

  by krejames in

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  at last received tony wills' "a people for his name" and have just read the chapter on ww2.

  completely dumbfounded as to how the author could have missed out such an important issue as the declaration of facts and rutherford's letter to hitler?!

  very disappointed.

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  krejames

  At last received Tony Wills' "A People For His Name" and have just read the chapter on WW2. Completely dumbfounded as to how the author could have missed out such an important issue as the Declaration of Facts and Rutherford's letter to hitler?! Very disappointed. Still looking forward to reading the rest of the book tho...
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  Wanted - A 'Reverse Witness'

  by The Song Remains The Same in

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  so the want-to-be-jw wife is getting harder to keep from believing all the nonsense that the wt spouts.

  it is really getting me down as it simply does not compute from my perspective (and many on here i suppose) how and why rational and sane individuals would swallow all the garbage... the phrase i hate the most is "imperfect men", it gets me so wound up when i point out the flip-flops and flaws, and then i ask how anyone would follow 'imperfect men'... up next is "but i truely believe they are god's chosen organisation", but i cannot find any basis for that belief whatsoever... arrgghhh.

  she went to some big meeting last weekend and came back all happyified.

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  krejames

  I agree with the subtle appoach.

  Also advice to everyone: Blood policy is probably not the strongest argument these days. There are many non JWs and ex-JWs would refuse blood. The US army has been pioneering non blood surgery for the battlefield and there are numerous hospitals now that specialise in non-blood surgery. Here in the UK we get news stories every 3 or 4 years showing the results of studies that have found JWs to recovery quicker after heart surgery, cancer surgery etc. Yes the JW will be ready for your argument and will have plenty of secular evidence to back up and "prove" the witnesses were right all along.

  If you must talkk about blood its probably better to concentrate in the flip flops over blood fractions etc rather than the "JWs would rather die than have a life saving blood transfusion" argument.
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  Hello

  by newdawnfades in

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  i am a long time lurker who has finally decided to post.

  i am still in along with my wife, kids and extended family.

  i am in my 40s and was raised in the org.

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  krejames

  Welcome!
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  If 1914 is wrong then how is it that it was such a landmark year?

  by awakening in

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  this is the question that came up in my mind.

  now dont get me wrong i know the dates from 607 - 1914 are rubbish, but how would you explain to a witness when they will automatically say, look at the momentus year 1914 was.

  that is evidence enough that 607 is correct!.

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  krejames

  Before 1914 they thought the Napoleonic Wars signified the start of the end times. Even charles taze believed this (just reading "A People For His Name", which states this. Interesting stuff.)

  (EDIT - "They": various religious figures, not JWs obviously)
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  Believing that god arranges for £50 to be put through your letterbox while he ignores the cries of abused children

  by jambon1 in

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  we've all heard these experiences.. in fact, jehovah's witnesses are obsessed with them.

  the pioneer who needed 80 to fix their car & somehow (without having told anyone .

  now, if you believe that these sort of experiences are true, you are basically saying that god is actively arranging help for someone who is in need.

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  krejames

  Good thread. Thanks.

  Also PUnkOfNice that's a powerful image/photo message. I'll use that.
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  How many former Jehovah's Witnesses bury their head in the sand when it comes to reasoning about the NGO "conspiracy"?

  by Change Name in

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  hi all - sure sure, you can call me a troll or brainwashed cult member.

  i am totally interested in how your answers to these questions.. .

  do you find yourself ignoring anything that jehovah's witnesses bring out in regards to their former status as an ngo?.

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  krejames

  To think that the elders in my congregation refused an invitation from my local council to speak about JW beliefs in order to help staff understand religious diversity within the districts. Why? Because there would be speakers from other religions there too and they didnt want to be involved in "interfaith" lol. Completely missed a trick theree as it had nothing to do with interfaith. Perhaps if they had known about the NGO thing they might have thought about it. lol
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  The ten most embarrassing scriptures for Jehovah's Witnesses

  by slimboyfat in

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  1. mark 7:15 "there is nothing from outside a man that passes into him that can defile him; but the things that issue forth out of a man are the things that defile a man.. so how can eating black pudding or having a blood transfusion be a sin?.

  2. roman 14:5 one [man] judges one day as above another; another [man] judges one day as others; let each one be convinced in his own mind.

  so how come they say birthdays and festivals are a sin?.

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  krejames

  I remember going on the doors with a presentation from the KM based on James 1:13 to prove that Jehovah didnt cause bad things to happen. The householder was a baptist and proceeded to point out that that scripture was talking about temptation and that, besides, there were many biblical examples of god punishing people with bad events. That shut me up. I went home and checked my other bible translations and sure enough - definitely about temptation not natural disasters and the "trials of life" etc.

  Another one is James 5:16 used in every JC but clearly talking about healing illnesses - not judicial matters.
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  Book - "A People for His Name" by Timothy White

  by VM44 in

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  "a people for his name" by timothy white is an early, but still excellent, book about the history of the jws.. here is a page containing portions from the book.

  http://members.fortunecity.com/peopleforhisname/peopleforhisname.htm.

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  krejames

  Thanks ProblemAddict :)