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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

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  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  Rivergang

  It was never said that armageddon would happen in the fall of 1975.

  True enough, as far as it goes - but ONLY as far as it goes!

  The thought was certainly left hanging there, and it was obvious even to Blind Freddie that this was the conclusion the WTS wanted its readers to deduce from their writings. This started with the 1966 book Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God - on page 29 of which the term "appropriate" was used to link 1975 with Armageddon. It then continued over the next several years with a series of magazine articles, which got more and more pointed. One article was even entitled Why are you looking forward to 1975? That one was very explicit, talking about it being only "weeks or months" rather than "years" between the end of 6000 years of human creation and the "end of the system". It also effectively debunked the cautionary statement of Matthew 24:36, (i.e."no one knows the day or the hour"). This magazine article told its readers that it was not the time to "hide behind" those words - talk about the Watchtower being more important that the Bible!
  

  So, yes, you are correct that the WTS didn't straight out say that Armageddon would happen in the fall of 1975:

  - BUT they also made it plain that the event could easily occur within "weeks or months" of that time; and that furthermore, this would be quite "appropriate".

  Most readers of these works of propaganda drew the conclusion that the writers intended them to arrive at!
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  Science News article: ‘Case closed’: 99.9% of scientists agree climate emergency caused by humans

  by Disillusioned JW in

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  a news article has the headline of " ‘case closed’: 99.9% of scientists agree climate emergency caused by humans"; see https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/19/case-closed-999-of-scientists-agree-climate-emergency-caused-by-humans .

  the article says in part the following.. 'the scientific consensus that humans are altering the climate has passed 99.9%, according to research that strengthens the case for global action at the cop26 summit in glasgow.. the degree of scientific certainty about the impact of greenhouse gases is now similar to the level of agreement on evolution and plate tectonics, the authors say, based on a survey of nearly 90,000 climate-related studies.

  this means there is practically no doubt among experts that burning fossil fuels, such as oil, gas, coal, peat and trees, is heating the planet and causing more extreme weather.. a previous survey in 2013 showed 97% of studies published between 1991 and 2012 supported the idea that human activities are altering earth’s climate.. this has been updated and expanded by the study by cornell university that shows the tiny minority of sceptical voices has diminished to almost nothing as evidence mounts of the link between fossil-fuel burning and climate disruption.. the latest survey of peer-reviewed literature published from 2012 to november 2020 was conducted in two stages.

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  Don't blame Acheson for the formation of the World Bank!

  60th Anniversary (worldbankimflib.org)
  

  While the US Secretary of State certainly attended the 1944 Bretton Woods conference (which led to the creation of that institution), he wasn't its founder. Rather, that resulted very much from the efforts of the British economist John Maynard Keynes and a senior US Treasury official, Harry Dexter White.
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  Science News article: ‘Case closed’: 99.9% of scientists agree climate emergency caused by humans

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. social
  2. current

  a news article has the headline of " ‘case closed’: 99.9% of scientists agree climate emergency caused by humans"; see https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/19/case-closed-999-of-scientists-agree-climate-emergency-caused-by-humans .

  the article says in part the following.. 'the scientific consensus that humans are altering the climate has passed 99.9%, according to research that strengthens the case for global action at the cop26 summit in glasgow.. the degree of scientific certainty about the impact of greenhouse gases is now similar to the level of agreement on evolution and plate tectonics, the authors say, based on a survey of nearly 90,000 climate-related studies.

  this means there is practically no doubt among experts that burning fossil fuels, such as oil, gas, coal, peat and trees, is heating the planet and causing more extreme weather.. a previous survey in 2013 showed 97% of studies published between 1991 and 2012 supported the idea that human activities are altering earth’s climate.. this has been updated and expanded by the study by cornell university that shows the tiny minority of sceptical voices has diminished to almost nothing as evidence mounts of the link between fossil-fuel burning and climate disruption.. the latest survey of peer-reviewed literature published from 2012 to november 2020 was conducted in two stages.

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  Rivergang

  Thanks, Earnest, for finding that information re. Dean Acheson.

  He was talking specifically about the needs for some form of arms control, where as the WTS (as is typical) put a somewhat different spin on his observations.
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  Science News article: ‘Case closed’: 99.9% of scientists agree climate emergency caused by humans

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. social
  2. current

  a news article has the headline of " ‘case closed’: 99.9% of scientists agree climate emergency caused by humans"; see https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/19/case-closed-999-of-scientists-agree-climate-emergency-caused-by-humans .

  the article says in part the following.. 'the scientific consensus that humans are altering the climate has passed 99.9%, according to research that strengthens the case for global action at the cop26 summit in glasgow.. the degree of scientific certainty about the impact of greenhouse gases is now similar to the level of agreement on evolution and plate tectonics, the authors say, based on a survey of nearly 90,000 climate-related studies.

  this means there is practically no doubt among experts that burning fossil fuels, such as oil, gas, coal, peat and trees, is heating the planet and causing more extreme weather.. a previous survey in 2013 showed 97% of studies published between 1991 and 2012 supported the idea that human activities are altering earth’s climate.. this has been updated and expanded by the study by cornell university that shows the tiny minority of sceptical voices has diminished to almost nothing as evidence mounts of the link between fossil-fuel burning and climate disruption.. the latest survey of peer-reviewed literature published from 2012 to november 2020 was conducted in two stages.

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  Rivergang

  Unless corroborated by another source, a person would do well to dismiss anything cited in WTS publications.

  While The Truth that leads to Eternal Life does quote Acheson as predicting a world "too dangerous to live in" by the mid-1970s, did he in fact really say that? Can this alleged quotation be backed up from at least one other source?

  As Scotsmen would say "Ah hae ma doots" about that one!
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  Evolution News: Humanlike Footprints in Crete Dated to 6 Million Years Ago!

  by Disillusioned JW in

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  2. current

  i find it astonishing that humanlike feet could have existed that long ago.

  i wonder if some non-human upright ape might have had that kind of feet that long ago.

  see https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/humanlike-footprints-in-crete-dated-to-6-million-years-muddle-archaeologists-1.10301706 and https://scitechdaily.com/oldest-footprints-of-pre-humans-identified-in-crete-six-million-years-old/ .

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  Certainly, the processes by which geologists date such things require a little bit more than an eight-second sound bite to describe!

  I think that it is all too easy to dismiss anything we cannot understand with a "Sounds like bull to me" type response.
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  This is my favorite quote! What’s your favorite?

  by Iamallcool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  no one can steal your thunder when you are the fucking storm!

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  Rivergang

  To ASSUME something makes an

  ASS

  out of

  U

  and

  ME

  (Anonymous)
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  Watchtower More Important than the Scriptures

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  mack moore ex-jw recovery writes:.

  yes, that is how they want people to esteem the magazine.

  they believe it is the unique mouthpiece of god.

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  Rivergang

  The excuse I heard offered as to why the Watchtower is "more important than the Bible" was that "Christendom has been reading the Bible for centuries, and it hasn't helped them".
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  Isn't Canada Great, even close to a Spiritual Paradise?

  by Disillusioned JW in

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  2. current

  a moment ago i clicked onto the link at https://bigglobaltravel.com/cities/funny-pictures-canada-yh/?utm_campaign=canada%20pictures%20shira1606%20dup0109%20msn%20edg%20en%20-%20desktop%20usa%20ya&utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=msn_us&utm_content=msn.com&psl=g_61cd4e&network_code=cm which shows slides of canada.

  viewing those slides (in combination with the other things i have seen and heard about canada) made me feel that maybe canada is about as close as one can get in the western world to a nation which is now a spiritual paradise, much like a new peaceful order now.

  imagine that the usa would never have had a civil war.

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  On the matter of independence, Britain likely learned a thing or two from the experience of losing its 13 North American colonies. Following that experience, it was rather quick to grant self-government to a Colony, then to progress that on to Dominion status, followed by full independence.

  Bloody hell, both Australia and New Zealand actually turned down full independence when it was offered to them! It took Australia over ten years to ratify the 1931 Statute of Westminster, which conferred full independence on the then British dominions of Canada, South Africa, Newfoundland, Australia, New Zealand and the Irish Free State. It took a further five years before New Zealand did the same.

  Both countries were offered full independence, but turned it down. (New Zealand's then deputy prime minister, Gordon Coates, described the Statute of Westminster a "Poisonous Document").

  Canada may not have achieved its independence quite so easily had it not been for the groundwork laid by the American Revolution.
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  Differences, on average, between men and women

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. current

  quite bizarrely, there are people trying their level best to blur the lines between man and woman, male and female.. so, i thought it a fairly good idea to list the differences, on average, between men and women.. ok, starting with the most obvious .... women have a vulva, a vagina, and internal gonads (ovaries); men have a penis and external gonads (testes).. women get pregnant, give birth and breastfeed their babies; men do none of those things.. men are taller than women.. men have greater upper-body strength than women.

  men have greater bone density and percentage of muscle mass than women.. women live longer than men (this is partly due to life choices and behaviour and partly due to genetics).. men have higher testosterone levels than women.. men heal more quickly from physical injury than women.. the sexual dynamics between men and women tend to be different, too.

  re sexual selection, women typically have their choice of the most suitable men.

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  Yes, it would be bloody great if you could get through a working day without being interrupted, wouldn’t it?

  Not very likely, though!

  (Having been at work today for exactly one hour and five minutes - and having just already dealt with what feels like 200 interruptions!)
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  Differences, on average, between men and women

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. current

  quite bizarrely, there are people trying their level best to blur the lines between man and woman, male and female.. so, i thought it a fairly good idea to list the differences, on average, between men and women.. ok, starting with the most obvious .... women have a vulva, a vagina, and internal gonads (ovaries); men have a penis and external gonads (testes).. women get pregnant, give birth and breastfeed their babies; men do none of those things.. men are taller than women.. men have greater upper-body strength than women.

  men have greater bone density and percentage of muscle mass than women.. women live longer than men (this is partly due to life choices and behaviour and partly due to genetics).. men have higher testosterone levels than women.. men heal more quickly from physical injury than women.. the sexual dynamics between men and women tend to be different, too.

  re sexual selection, women typically have their choice of the most suitable men.

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  Rivergang

  If only!