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  How can Babylon the Great be the WORLD of false religion?

  by BoogerMan in

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  (revelation 17:5) “babylon the great, the mother of the prostitutes (plural!

  ) and of the disgusting things of the earth.”.

  btg is spotlighted as being the principal "disgusting thing" which affects christians & christianity, with other lesser "prostitutes" in the background... (revelation 18:4) “get out of her, my people, (christians) if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.".

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  Rivergang

  That Pan-Babylonialism is 24 Carat pseudoscience comes as no surprise!

  Also during the same “Free Home Bible Study” phase, I remember being assured that all the world’s major languages originated in the ancient city of Babylon. To put matters very diplomatically, this is simply not the case!

  Little about the religion of Babylon was exactly original, either. Most of it had been inherited from the earlier Sumerian civilisation.

  Hardly the birthplace of either the world’s languages or its religions!
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  How can Babylon the Great be the WORLD of false religion?

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  (revelation 17:5) “babylon the great, the mother of the prostitutes (plural!

  ) and of the disgusting things of the earth.”.

  btg is spotlighted as being the principal "disgusting thing" which affects christians & christianity, with other lesser "prostitutes" in the background... (revelation 18:4) “get out of her, my people, (christians) if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.".

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  Rivergang

  During the "Free Home Bible Study" phase of my Indoctrination into the JWs, I recall being assured that "all the world's false religions" could in fact be traced to the ancient city of Babylon.

  There was indeed a school of thought called "Pan-Babylonialism", which had a certain following around the turn of the 20th Century. However, that idea has long since been discarded - almost to the point of being considered pseudoscience. There is also Alexander Hislop's The Two Babylons, which advances similar ideas, but which was soundly debunked even during Hislop's own lifetime (circa. the mid-19th Century). Just the same, the JWs used to treat that work of Alexander Hislop as having almost the final say on the matter!
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  A talk about 1975 from 1972

  by Nostromo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  everybody knows the famous "stay alive still 75" audio clip but here is a clip from 1972 with english subtitles.

  harold mouritz was the branch committee member in finland when he gave this talk.

  later he became the coordinator of the australian branch.

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  Rivergang

  It isn't just what was written in their literature which condemns them over 1975.

  What was said from the platform is just as damning (as demonstrated here).
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  W.W 2 - 1940's Australia Bethel helps out war effort!!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  australia bethel had from 1938 began to make big money!

  they employed many brothers.

  they opened a saw mill, bakery, 20 kingdom farms, and an engineering company.

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  Rivergang

  That surplus paper certainly got put to good use!

  One of their business enterprises involved the printing of what now would be described as “soft” pornography - with the intended clientele being members of the armed forces.
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  W.W 2 - 1940's Australia Bethel helps out war effort!!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  australia bethel had from 1938 began to make big money!

  they employed many brothers.

  they opened a saw mill, bakery, 20 kingdom farms, and an engineering company.

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  Rivergang

  Oh yes…… the “Kingdom Farm” in the Brisbane suburb of Oxley. Right adjacent to the military airfield at Archerfield. Canteens operated for servicemen and all that.

  Bloody Hell!
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  Jeffrey Jackson: Too much excitement got in the way for the ''false dates''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  annual meeting 2019—talks and 2020 year textthe governing body members are nothing but a bunch of weasels.

  here is a talk by jeffrey jackson on how the governing body ''the slave class'' has remained spiritually awake over 100 years and alerted its members.. he looks back on the ''faithful and discreet slaves'' false dates over the 100 years: '' but at times, we look back over 100 years, and there were times they got excited about a certain year or time, and the end didn't come at that time.''.

  he makes the comparison between the ''slave class ( who disappointed others when the end didn't come ) to a barking watchdog ( who in his enthusiasm barks at nothing in the middle of the night and wakes up the owner).

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  Rivergang

  That would be one of the very few times they have taken any responsibility whatsoever for those debacles. Previously, the “rank and file” got the blame for “reading too much in” to what the WTS had said.
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  Are Atheists Hypocritical in Celebrating Christmas?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  richard dawkins revealed that he celebrates christmas on radio four's today programme.. here is is quoted as saying: .

  'i am perfectly happy on christmas day to say merry christmas to everybody,' dawkins said.

  'i might sing christmas carols - once i was privileged to be invited to kings college, cambridge, for their christmas carols and loved it.

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  Rivergang

  When it is all said and done, for most people in this part of the world, Christmas is just another excuse to get on the booze.

  ie. Engage in practices which predate Christianity by a long shot.
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  Holy barbasol Batman! Beards are now allowed!

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  latest gb update.

  only took them 20 years to see beards are acceptable in society.

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  Rivergang

  Talk about man-made rules.

  Even in countries such as Papua New Guinea, in which beards are completely acceptable, the JWs maintained this prohibition.
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  Life in a spiritual (UN)-paradise

  by Reasonfirst in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a long, long time ago, when i was young, i became a 'special' pioneer.

  it meant that i had to spend 150 hours a month, and i received a small allowance.

  i was then assigned to a small country congregation, in western nsw (australia).

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  Rivergang

  It wasn’t the JWs who invented the idea of a “spiritual paradise” (if not it’s actual wording). Some of the more austere of the “mainstream” churches are quick to cite the “spiritual” benefits - particularly when the material (and other) “blessings” become rather scarce!(This matter is well described by the New Zealand author John A Lee, in his autobiography Children of the Poor. In the southern city of Dunedin, which was established by puritanical Scottish settlers, the Presbyterian Church provided at best miserly material aid to the poor. However, they were always quick to emphasise the “spiritual” benefits that their church provided.)
  
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  Life in a spiritual (UN)-paradise

  by Reasonfirst in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a long, long time ago, when i was young, i became a 'special' pioneer.

  it meant that i had to spend 150 hours a month, and i received a small allowance.

  i was then assigned to a small country congregation, in western nsw (australia).

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  Rivergang

  Hey! J, is your mate M. still %&#king the XXXX girl???

  And back in the day, I used to actually believe that "Our church don't do that sort of thing" - and that it was only hypocrites such as Catholic priests who got up to those sorts of capers.

  (Bloody hell, little did I know!)