that aged well lol.
since then 4 younger gb members appointed.
Stan, GT refers to "the great tribulation".
It comes form Revelation 7:14, which is talking about those that survive the tribulation that the horsemen bring to earth.
I wrote about it in my article "The Great Tribulation - Discussion".
If you are interested you can download it here: https://tinyurl.com/bibramz
https://youtu.be/w32nome-k20?si=a8bhxh5tjrkomgzq.
rather than seeing the king of the north as the final opponent of god’s people, i propose that daniel 11 points to a completely different figure.
while the watchtower society focuses on the struggle between these two kings, they overlook a third entity mentioned in verse 40, but let’s ready this verse first from the new world translation.
There are multiple prophecies regarding the final kings on the earth before Armageddon:
· Gog of Magog (Ezekiel 38:2-6)
· Fifth kingdom (Daniel 2:40-45)
· King of the North (Daniel 11:44, 45)
· Surrounding nations (Joel 3:11, 12)
· unidentified nations (Amos 9:9-15)
· All the nations (Zechariah 14:1-21)
· Seventh king (Revelation 17:10-17)
Since all of those prophecies are about the same event our understanding of each prophecy must harmonize with each of the others.
===That is how the article "End-Time Kings" begins.
It looks at all the details of each of those prophecies and compares them to show how they correlate with each other, giving us a much more detailed look at what is to come than any individual prophet gives.
You can read the rest of "End-Time Kings" here: https://tinyurl.com/bibramz
feb broadcast they have a drama about someone who works with a colleague who is gay.. they actually make it sound like the jws are the only ones who support him and is tolerant of him and everyone else is against him🤣.
after all these years they try gaslighting and saying we are the ones who are tolerant and everyone else is not!!!.
you couldn’t make this up.. after this monumental u turn now, what about all the gay people who were born in’s who have been shunned by their own family?.
I have all the transcripts for the "Monthly Broadcast" and "Governing Body Updates" if you want them.
You can get them here: https://da-ip.getmyip.com/pdf/Documents/Transcripts
the jws haven't been to my door for a while, but i don't doubt that they'll turn up eventually*.
(i saw easter eggs in the supermarket yesterday, so "memorial" season is fast approaching 🙄).
what's a good question to ask, to get the ball rolling?.
I wrote "A Jehovah's Witness at the Door" and it can be gotten here: tinyurl.com/bibramz
I would paste it here but it is lengthy.
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at the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.
it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.
im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.
The term "The Great Tribulation" comes from Revelation 7:14.
What is the context? John was watching a scroll being opened one seal at a time.
The 2nd, 3rd and 4th seal tell of horsemen that bring great tribulation to the earth.
The 5th seal is about the 144,000.
The 6th seal tells about a great crowd that survive that great tribulation.
What tribulation? The one that is being described to John in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th seals of that scroll.
Yes, those horsemen are the cause of "the great tribulation."
And when did those horsemen ride? From 1914 onward.
We are living in the great tribulation. It is not a future event.
Christ tells us what conditions will be like when Armageddon strikes:
(Luke 17:26-30) Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of man: 27 they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the Flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building. 29 But on the day that Lot went out of Sodʹom, it rained fire and sulfur from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 It will be the same on that day when the Son of man is revealed.
That is not describing a world reeling from great tribulation. The first horsemen rode at the beginning of the last days. The fourth horseman is relegated to a certain quarter of the earth. (Re 6:8) Not a fourth of the earth as in every fourth house on your block, but "the fourth part".
What quarter of the earth? Probably the same part of the earth mentioned when the sixth angel blew his trumpet where angels were untied: The area around the Euphrates river. (Re 9:14, 15)
And what has been happening in "the fourth part of the earth" surrounding that river here at the end of the last days?
The Great Tribulation - Discussion.doc
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Dane
not according to this verse:.
(mark 3:28, 29) truly i say to you that all things will be forgiven the sons of men, no matter what sins they commit and what blasphemies they speak.
but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit has no forgiveness forever but is guilty of everlasting sin.”.
The Revelation Grand Climax book says this:
[re p. 6 par. 5] God’s Word gives the happy assurance that only wicked opposers of God will be destroyed—by forces under God’s control.
And in the Reasoning book this is the definition of wickedness:
[rs p. 427] Definition: That which is very bad morally. It often denotes that which is injurious, malevolent, or destructive in influence.
Satan is even called "the wicked one." (Jn 17:15)
The wicked are the worst of sinners and are happily so. (Pr 21:10; Isa 26:10; Ro 1:29, 2Pe 2:13; Re 9:20, 21) In contrast, when a righteous person sins (commits a wicked act) they feel shame and regret, or at least can be moved to feel shame and regret. (Eze 33:14-16; Lu 15:7; 1Co 6:5; 1Co 15:34; Ro 13:11-14)
Christ says this in Matthew:
(Matthew 13:49) That is how it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The angels will go out and separate the wicked from among the righteous.
Only the wicked will be destroyed at Armageddon!
Many more scriptures here: Who will survive Armageddon?
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Dane
gb sanderson reminding the member what the russian war is all about.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/tng8ys/dont_even_know_what_to_say/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3.
Russia is not the king of the north (Gog of Magog). Turkey is. There are plenty of scriptures to back that up:
As a quick reminder, here is our official list of the kings of the north starting with the Roman Empire being number six per Revelation 17:10, 11.
6) Roman Empire (not conquered by Germany)
7) Germany (conquered, in part, by the USSR)
8) USSR (disbanded)
9) Russia and its allies (today)
10) UN (Wild Beast)
Here is that list with the 7th king being the nation that conquered the Roman Empire:
6) Roman Empire (conquered by the Ottoman Turks)
7) Ottoman Empire (which is Turkey and is still in power today north of Israel)
8) UN (Wild Beast)
Remember: Revelation 17:10, 11 tells us that there will only be seven kings, and then the wild beast (UN) makes an eighth king.
Interesting Facts
Rev 1:11 - The 7 congregations in Revelation were all in Turkey
Rev 2:13 - Satan's throne (in the day of our lord / today) is in Pergamum, which is in Turkey
Rev
9:14 - The four angels bound until their set hour to kill a third of the people
"are bound at the great river
Euphraʹtes." That river begins and has about 1/3 of its length in Turkey before it travels south though
Syria and Iraq and then empties into the Persian Gulf.
Ge 8:4 - Mt Ararat, where Noah's ark came to rest, is in far eastern Turkey.
Ge 10:2 - Four of Noah's grandsons (Goʹmer, Maʹgog, Tuʹbal, and Meʹshech), the same ones spoken of in Ezekiel 38:2-6, took up residence and became four nations west of Mt Ararat, in Turkey.
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Dane
so last night my bible study group was discussing the healing of the blind man in john's gospel.
ch 9 .
the man's parents were reluctant to say much on the subject.
The way Jesus set up disfellowshipping in the first century is completely different to how it is being implemented today. Here are the details if you are interested: "Disfellowshipping in the Early Congregations"
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Dane
growing up around the faith, whenever i heard something taught, i'd always think there is a different way of looking at that, probably better.. we always hear "this good news of the kingdom will be preached... " matt 24:14.. so i think, is there more to it than preaching the kingdom?.
luke 17:21 the kjv and asv says "neither shall they say, lo here!
or, lo there!
The good news of the kingdom was targeted at the poor.
(Matthew 11:5) The blind are now seeing and the lame are walking, the lepers are being cleansed and the deaf are hearing, the dead are being raised up and the poor are being told the good news.
(Luke 4:18) “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,
(Luke 7:22) In reply he said to them: “Go and report to John what you have seen and heard: The blind are now seeing, the lame are walking, the lepers are being cleansed, the deaf are hearing, the dead are being raised up, and the poor are being told the good news.
Why was that? Because status was a big part of life at that time. Everything they did revolved around their position in society, from a king down to a slave, with most holding the lower positions. Personal status permeated society and was deeply ingrained in each individual.
The more wealth a man had, the more respect and honor he was deemed to have, both on earth and in heaven. That is why they were "greatly astounded" when Christ informed them otherwise. If it would be "easier for a camel to get through a needle’s eye than for a rich man," who they considered to be the very best in their society, "to enter the Kingdom of God." It's no wonder they asked: "Who really can be saved?” (Mt 19:23-25)
That is why "the good news" was not given with the middle and upper classes in mind, but was "good news" told to "the poor". (Mt 11:5; Lu 7:22) The "good news" they received was not about everlasting life or the end to sickness (though it included that), but was about a future where they would be lifted out of poverty and no longer be the lowest people in society and subservient to others.
What will happen to wealth "in the coming system of things"? Money and riches will have no meaning in paradise.
What will happen to poverty "in the coming system of things"? The poor will have the same reward as everyone else: Houses and brothers and sisters and mother and father and children and fields, and everlasting life. (Mr 10:30)
The attitude that the Israelites displayed toward one another in their cultural structure was not very friendly. (Pr 18:23) An arrogant "I'm better than you are" attitude was a requirement to remain in a higher status. That is why Christ had to give them a "new commandment."
(John 13:34, 35) I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.”
A loving attitude for all others would be so new and unique among the Israelites that it would be an identifying characteristic of Christians and make them stand out as different from everyone else.
Knowing this mental attitude of people at that time also helps us better understand why the apostles reacted the way they did at Matthew 19:13 and Luke 18:15. They thought they were protecting Christ's status. And since he was their leader, theirs as well.
Jesus promoted equality:
(Matthew 10:24, 25) “A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. 25 It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master.
"In the coming system of things" the rich and the poor will "be" as each other. All will have equal abundance in paradise. (Mr 10:31)
"This good news of the Kingdom" was very "good news to the poor".
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Dane
