Posts by Sangdigger

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"Jehovah's Witness School"

by Jacinta in

i posted my experience on this board and took for granted that some may have never heard of the jw school.

i don't know if they exist in every state (apparently not), but the one i went to is named new world education center.

all of the teachers had to be baptized jws and the principal as well.

Sangdigger

Does anybody reading this post know anything about the JW school in Tucson, Az, or anybody who attended there?

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Why is there pain-suffering..Apologists view

by gumby in

here is an apologist view of why there is suffering.. answer c. just didn't cut it for me.. basically he is saying "everything god did turned out to sin"; eg.

especially when that potential goes bad in every case"?.

christian apologetics & research ministry www.carm.org.

I dont think im getting through to Bleep. He thinks because i said im not worthy in and of myself, that i think im too rotten to be saved. Hey bleep are you counting time on me? Can JW's count time on the internet now, witnessing to ex-witnesses? Why not. It wouldnt surprise me.

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"The Trinity" - My Thoughts

by Olympiad in

the trinity my thoughts.

the thought behind the trinity is not so hard to understand or appreciate if you approach if from a philosophical viewpoint.

you must look beyond the obvious.

Sangdigger

The pharisees didnt think Jesus was God either, and they freaked out when Jesus forgave the cripple of his sins, and they said "Who can forgive sins but God"? Nothing like handwriting on the wall!

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Why is there pain-suffering..Apologists view

by gumby in

here is an apologist view of why there is suffering.. answer c. just didn't cut it for me.. basically he is saying "everything god did turned out to sin"; eg.

especially when that potential goes bad in every case"?.

christian apologetics & research ministry www.carm.org.

Sangdigger

Hey Bleep,
Do you think it is possible then, that we can please God? If i choose to do good, will that secure me a sort of good standing with God? Yes, i believe we can love him even though we are dirt, but "herein is love, not that we loved him, but that he first loved us" We are incapable of loving God and worshipping him, left to ourselves. Romans 8:8 "The carnal mind is enmity(deep seated HATRED) againts God" That means untill God the Holy spirit, gives us new life in christ, (circumcision of the heart)we are in opposition to God. When Yaweh told adam "in the day you eat,you will die" he was talking to adam wasnt he? If he meant a thousand years, then adam would not have died that day, but would have lived perfect for another 900 years or so, and probably lived it up in the garden untill he died, or was excommunicated at the last minute. So when he said IN THE DAY, it meant that very day he bit down on that fruit. Please explain to me how WE (not adam, because he truly was) are FREE MORAL AGENTS. Left to myself, without God, i will live exclusively in the FLESH. Yes, i will fornicate, adulterate, steal, lie, cheat,ect....and even though i might not physically go out and commit such things, MY MIND DWELLS ON THEM. This is my NATURE. And Jesus said to even lust after a woman in the heart was to commit that sin, showing that NO ONE IS WORTHY OF SALVATION BASED ON THEMSELVES!! So left to myself, im not very MORAL am i? In fact, left to myself naturally, im in BONDAGE to sin. And since naturally, my flesh craves these things, i sure couldnt consider myself an AGENT of anyone as HOLY as God!! In fact,only christ could. Therefore, i am ONLY RIGHTEOUS IN CHRIST JESUS. He said unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and pharisees, you will IN NO WISE enter into the kingdom of God. Yep, were ALL in BIG trouble without Gods substitute. I myself, prefer the stance of a mercy beggar. There is nothing Good in me, and if i am to stand on judgement day on my own merit, than i know where ill be going. "Oh wretched man that i am, who will deliver me from this body of death"?

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Why is there pain-suffering..Apologists view

by gumby in

here is an apologist view of why there is suffering.. answer c. just didn't cut it for me.. basically he is saying "everything god did turned out to sin"; eg.

especially when that potential goes bad in every case"?.

christian apologetics & research ministry www.carm.org.

Sangdigger

Well Bleep,
I will agree with you on one thing. We are suffering because of Adams transgression. But im not waiting on God to start ruling or taking over sometime in the future. He's ruling right now, and in total control. Just ask Nebuchadnezzar,(Dan4:17,35)he taught that ole boy a lesson. Yes, Adam and Eve did have a choice, they were perfect, free, moral agents. But look at Gen.2:17 "for IN THE DAY THAT YOU EAT THEREOF, YOU WILL SURELY DIE" he didnt say down the road you will physically die, there was something else going on right at that moment. A spiritual death, a severing of communion with God. So, in that day, adam died, and plunged everyone from that point into sin and ruin. So are we free moral agents? 1)we're not free from sin, 2)we certainly aint moral 3)who are we agents of? Yes, i believe we are given a choice to do good or evil, but what is the ole natural man gonna choose? Evil. There is none Righteous, NO NOT ONE.(Romans 3:10-19) Thats why we are only made righteous in Gods substitute, JESUS CHRIST.(Romans 3:25)
To Answer your question Dutchie, i would have to say read Romans 9:21-23. To make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy,which he had afore prepared unto glory. When paul wrote this, he knew the natural response would be "its not fair" so back up in verse 18 thru 20, and he sums it up by saying Its Gods business to have mercy on whom he will. In fact the whole chapter 9 of Romans deals with Gods sovereinty in choosing, and showing mercy on whom he will.

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"Jehovah's Witness School"

by Jacinta in

i posted my experience on this board and took for granted that some may have never heard of the jw school.

i don't know if they exist in every state (apparently not), but the one i went to is named new world education center.

all of the teachers had to be baptized jws and the principal as well.

Sangdigger

What a small world, my wife attended a JW school in Az. In her opinion, it was just a place for Jw's to send their troubled kids to. I guess they had some drug problems and discipline problems. Of course all schools do, but you would expect more from a JW school! Ha Ha

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Why is there pain-suffering..Apologists view

by gumby in

here is an apologist view of why there is suffering.. answer c. just didn't cut it for me.. basically he is saying "everything god did turned out to sin"; eg.

especially when that potential goes bad in every case"?.

christian apologetics & research ministry www.carm.org.

Sangdigger

"Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee" (book of Psalms)He is in Absolute Control of his creation. I think scripture shows one of the main reasons he allowed Adam to fall, thus spiraling man into total depravity, is to show his mercy.

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The Nephilim - What can I say!

by Matty in

im sure nothing surprises the people who regularly post here.

but what really shocks me now is that as a child i genuinely believed some of the most preposterous, stupid and moronic things ever committed to papyrus.. take the nephilim.

well they were mutants.

Sangdigger

This is not a doctrinal teaching unique just to JW's. John Schofield, a nineteenth century Bible Historian believed and taught this, also Author Pink, a Hebrew scholar and author of many books on Bible doctrine. More modern preachers are Chuck Missler ( he has a complete study of this subject on his publishers webpage-Koinonian House Publishers) I dont subscribe to all of Chucks theories, but he has some fascinating facts that in my opinion, need to at least be considered, before dismissing this teaching. eg...The hebrew words "Bnai Elohim" are only used when reffering to Angels. This phrase was used in the Genesis verse.

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"The Trinity" - My Thoughts

by Olympiad in

the trinity my thoughts.

the thought behind the trinity is not so hard to understand or appreciate if you approach if from a philosophical viewpoint.

you must look beyond the obvious.

Sangdigger

Now Wonder Isaiah said "Holy,Holy,Holy is the Lord of Hosts" 3 persons=1 God. Hey, i cant explain Electricity, only in theory, but i remember how real it is every time i get the crap shocked out of me. Just like the trinity, i know there is scriptural proof of the concept, but i dont have to completely understand it. Who needs a God they can completely figure out and understand? We never will in this life anyway.

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"The Trinity" - My Thoughts

by Olympiad in

the trinity my thoughts.

the thought behind the trinity is not so hard to understand or appreciate if you approach if from a philosophical viewpoint.

you must look beyond the obvious.

Sangdigger

Well spoken Mr.Will P. It is a shame that titles have to be given to distinguish good doctrine from corrupt. For everyone else, i didnt mean to be "preachy", i guess sometimes the ole JW nature comes out in me. But i want to stand on Scripture alone, and not someones contrived notion of truth registered now as organiztional policy.