Posts by Sangdigger

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WT says 'Church Fathers were leading teachers'

by youdontknowhim in

was it jehovahs witnesses who acknowledge the church father as leading teachers?

this is a very interesting statement by justin.

do you accept origen as an authority when he said jesus is our god?

Sangdigger

WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG???

Youdontknowhim, that was alot of research, and shows once again the WTS only quotes what is favorable to them. When i read your post, it reminded me of a discussion i had with my dad on predestination. He is still a JW, and in reply to a lengthy letter i sent him, he responded by sending me a back issue of the Watchtower, that had an article refuting the doctrine, mostly by quoting Catholic priests. Since when did the WTS start warming up to the Catholics? If there is any religion bashed the most by the WTS, its the Catholics. Not that i disagree with that in particular, but its the same pattern. Quoting from someone as if THAT INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS are the express AUTHORITY, then bashing them when it suits their agenda.

Ahhhhh life goes on.....

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why do people think jesus died on a cross?

by watermelon in

i have always wonderd why so many people think jesus died on a cross.

ive been brought up to beleive that he died on a stake.

where did it come from about the cross?

Sangdigger

Excellent posts! Ive learned more on this one topic than i could have studying for a month! While reflecting on the subject at hand, i think the other reason the JW's make such an issue about the instrument of execution,(besides trying to distance themselves from everyone else) is the fact that the cross as we know it in the form of the letter "t" was reminiscant of the god tammuz. (at least thats what i was always told as a JW) and it would be unthinkable for God to allow his son to be killed on an object that represented a false god.

But what they fail to realize is HELLO!!! the ROMANS WERE PAGANS!!! They borrowed this form of execution from the pheonecians who were also pagans. Of course God is going to let wicked, pagan people kill his only son, have a murderer be released (barabus), have his garmets gambled over, be spit upon, then hung between two thieves, but stop the executioners from placing him on a upright pole that contains a cross piece.

Again, (in my opinion) im not saying it was definately a cross, although i think the evidence strongly favors it. Watermelon, i think the biggest question you need to ask yourself, is not what did he died on, but what he accomplished, and furthermore, why do some religious groups--no names mentioned...haha make such a big deal over it. What is thier motive? Is it a pure motive? A desire to get to the truth? or a political agenda?

Someone mentioned earlier in this post about Thomas telling Jesus "unless i see the print of the NAILS" indicating there was more than one nail used. (John 20:25) I dont think this was mentioned, but in Matt27:37 it says "Above his HEAD they placed the written charge againts him: THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS" It would seem without a cross piece, the written plaque would be over his HANDS, like the WTS always picture.

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why do people think jesus died on a cross?

by watermelon in

i have always wonderd why so many people think jesus died on a cross.

ive been brought up to beleive that he died on a stake.

where did it come from about the cross?

Sangdigger

NewWay, i agree with you on the device used. It really doesnt make any difference, we worship the Christ of the Cross(or stake,tree,whatever) not the Cross of Christ. And as someone posted earlier, all this bickering created by WTS in their attempt to seperate themselves from maintstream Christianity just divides.

But at the same time, those of us who were former JW's, cant keep ourselves from getting wrapped up in studying these things. Even though most of the time i dont even think about those things, i cant keep from looking at pictures and stereotypes in the old testament. Pomegranate, that was really cool. The story of Moses(who really was a picture of the comming christ) holding up his hands. Even Jesus himself told peter that one day he would "stretch out his hands" speaking of his death.

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Test A JW with the Following Questions

by youdontknowhim in

do you believe test

see old watchtower magazine from prior to 1930 known as the watchtower herald of christs presence.

the watchtower; sept. 15, 1922; page 278; jesus returned in 1874 to power.. .

Sangdigger

These are definately some good points, but as you pointed out, bringing them up to a JW, wont do any good, cuz theyll just tell you that was before God revealed the full truth or "new light". In fact, ive even been told before, that God didnt give the whole truth to them at once, because they couldnt handle it. The fact is, they still cant.

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Women, Watchtower and the 'New Testament&...

by ScarabKing in

women, watchtower and the new testament.. even in the new world translation, and/or the kingdom interlinear translation this is what is written:.

gal 3:28. for there is neither..male not femaleyou are all one in union with christ (gender equality).

acts 2: 7,8,13,. ones and they (gender neutral).

Sangdigger

Hmmmmm paul says in my bible a woman is to remain silent in church. 1Cor. chapter 14. As for the 144,000 my bible also says they have not been defiled with women. So typical of political correctness and liberalism.

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Why do you believe???

by truthseeker1 in

i have a question for everybody.

it has probably been asked before, but i'll ask it again in case anyone changed their minds.... why do/don't you believe in god/god.

what give you faith in things not beheld/makes you not believe?.

Sangdigger

Good post. I think this question really gets some good thought flow. I personally believe in God. For one reason, because i've seen too many things happen in life that i just cant say was luck, or chance. Although i realize, the human mind seems to always question things like what crazydrinker said. Was it divine intervention, or was the gas guage sticking on his truck?

I was on my way home last winter from a job with my brother, and we had 8 hours to travel to get home. It was about 25 degrees that day, and the wind chill was colder than that. We were about 2 hours into the trip when his truck broke down. We were on a main highway, but miles from any town. Of course after twenty minutes, we ran out of heat, and i discovered the idler/tension pulley was completely broke off. We didnt have tools, and didnt know anyone in the area. I told my brother i wanted to say a prayer, at wich he agreed it couldnt hurt. (we were both raised JW's, but now i attend a local church, and he was never baptized, and had quit going for years) So i said a short prayer, left the matter in Gods hands, and covered up with a blanket. Within twenty minutes or so, a truck of the same make and model, pulled up in front of us. An elderly man walked up and asked what was wrong. I explained to him the problem, and he said he would be glad to help us, as he had fixed the same problem on his truck before, and had all his tools with him. He gave us a ride into the nearest town, we bought the part, and he fixed the problem.

I realize, it takes faith to believe this was an act of God. I couldve rationalized that it would have happened whether i had prayed or not. And maybe it would have. But i have lived on both sides of life. With God in my life, and without God in my life. And there is no way i ever want to go back to the former way of things, without him. No, im not saying that everything is peaches and cream now. I still have to wrangle with this flesh of mine and all the regular problems of life. But a GIANT weight has been lifted off of my shoulders, now that i realize i can do nothing of my self to earn salvation, and that i will never please him by some good act, or living a certain way. All i have to do is have faith in him, knowing that as Romans 8:28 says "ALL THINGS work together for GOOD to them that love God".....

I think many people see religion as just a way of "cleaning up" your life, and its no wonder. Look at the JW's, and countless of other religions that teach salvation is earned by how you live, how much good work, ect..... These things by themselves are fine and good, but dont produce saving faith. Instead, they really produce the opposite. Faith in yourself and what you do. And from what i see in scripture, its what Gods son did that matters. Everything we need to be in front of a Holy God was accomplished by his dear Son.

If i didnt believe in God, then what would i have to look forward too? Maybe a few short years on this planet filled with all kinds of problems, but NO HOPE for the future. Just like when Jesus asked the twelve apostles, will you go away also? Peter said, "Lord, to whom shall we go? you have the words of eternal life." (Jn 6:68)

Cheers

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The WTS and WALT DISNEY

by Sangdigger in

it has recently occured to me after visiting one of americas largest family theme parks that there are similarities between the wts and disney.

we all know how the wts puts much emphasis on appearances.

eg...men must wear suits, ties, no beards, no hair touching the ear or collar, no pants for women, nothing that would appear "wordly" (for those of you not informed, "wordly" refers to anyone not a jw).

Sangdigger

Farkel, thats really cool about your uncle. Tell him i really, really enjoyed his ride, and really wouldnt mind living in Utah. oh, and i love the snow too. haha. It just goes to show ya, brains and alot of book larnin aint always the key to success. Somehow i fit the first profile, but not the second one (success).

Thanks Freindly FellaAL for sharing the document. Like i said, appearances are everything when your concerned with the outside of the cup and not whats within.

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BUSh Declares Our RIGHTs come from GOD!

by plmkrzy in

jw
friends

i dont know what happened it dissapeared!

geesh!

that was so wierd!

Sangdigger

After reading my last post, i realized that the first part didnt make any sense. Sorry. I had the beatles playing on the computer, and my wife was jabbering about something. What i meant to say, is i think its absurd to change the pledge to keep from offending certain people. How far will it go?

Is anyone offended at people speaking spanish when they go to Mexico? They shouldnt be, because thats the language Mexico was founded on as a Country. The same way this country was founded on Christian principles.

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BUSh Declares Our RIGHTs come from GOD!

by plmkrzy in

jw
friends

i dont know what happened it dissapeared!

geesh!

that was so wierd!

Sangdigger

Whats all this about a "God neutral pledge" and how that wouldnt offend anyone. As far as i can see, it shouldnt offend anyone. Since there are many gods, a hindu, muslim or jew shouldnt be offended, since everyone has a god of some sorts. Even an athiest has a god. It's just in a different form.

And as already stated, NO ONE has to say the pledge. Political correctness makes me puke. Not that im a big bush fan. in fact, i think its a little hypocrytical for political leaders to jump on the bandwagon on this issue, acting like they're defending God himself, when theyve been so passive on other issues the bible clearly condemns.

When the constitution was written, as stated already, it specifically says, ALL RIGHTS ARE GIVEN BY GOD. The writers of this document were basically applying the principles of German Common Law. Wich teaches exactly this. However, in the early nineteenth century, many young men were educated at oxford and other english universitys, wich taught English Common Law. This teaches that ALL RIGHTS ARE GIVEN BY THE KING AND/QUEEN. A far cry different from German Common Law. These same men, brought back this form of law to America, and slowly the Govt. has assumed the position of God.

So even though German common law is stated in the constitution, we are and have been far from it for a long time.

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The WTS and WALT DISNEY

by Sangdigger in

it has recently occured to me after visiting one of americas largest family theme parks that there are similarities between the wts and disney.

we all know how the wts puts much emphasis on appearances.

eg...men must wear suits, ties, no beards, no hair touching the ear or collar, no pants for women, nothing that would appear "wordly" (for those of you not informed, "wordly" refers to anyone not a jw).

Sangdigger

Im still laughing.....Good one! How could i have missed that one?

Cheers