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  Son of God

  by Steel in

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  2. bible

  is this a title of diety or did god have a baby?

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  sorry for being so brief, typing on a phone.. i am kind of interested to see what you have to say.

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  Steel

  Is this a title of diety or did God have a baby?

  Sorry for being so brief, typing on a phone.

  I am kind of interested to see what you have to say.
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  Robert H. COUNTESS and John 1:1 in the NWT

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  robert h. countess and john 1:1 in the nwt, part iirobert h. countess made the case in his book that the nwt ‘formulated their own principle’ on the article.

  under summary and conclusions, he stated: “chapter four’s conclusions regarding the handling of [theós] indicated that nwt’s translators poorly understood the greek article, and that their principle [theós]=‘a god,’ [ho theós]= ‘god’ is not legitimate.” (p. 92) is countess conclusion correct?this is what the nwt actually said after observing that both moffatt and goodspeed rendered john 1:1c in their translations as “divine.” “careful translators recognize that the articular construction of the noun points to an identity, a personality, whereas an anarthrous contruction points to a quality about someone.” in making this statement, the nw translators also had in mind the grammar by dana & mantey, in which they stated: “when identity is prominent, we find the article; and when quality or character is stressed, the construction is anarthrous [without the article].” (p. 138) also: “there are no ‘rules’ for the use of the article in greek, but there is a fundamental principle underlying its significance – as we have seen in the foregoing section – and this gives rise to a normal usage.” (ibid, p. 141) nowhere did the nwt ever affirmed that this meant [theós] without the article is always equivalent to = ‘a god,’ and [ho theós, with the article is always to be understood as = ‘god.’ even the wts would have to agree with countess that such principle is “not legitimate.” colwell first published his book in 1982, and by then the watchtower had made their position clear enough.

  in 1975 the wt wrote: “this does not mean, however, that every time an anarthrous noun occurs in the greek text it should appear in english with the indefinite article.

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  Steel

  Once a found out the term " the word " was a reference to the old testament physical manifestions of god, Trying to learn the biblical Greek arguments against " a god " seemed pointless.

  John 1 18. No one has seen the father, only the son.

  Just read the book of John without watchtower blinders and it is quite easy to see who John thought Jesus was.
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  Stanley Cup (Hockey)

  by LV101 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anyone watching the stanley cup?

  so exciting with las vegas golden knights playing second game against the washington capitals?

  can't wait for it to start.

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  Steel

  It' absolutely insane that an expansion team in it's first year of existence makes it to the Stanley Cup Finals. It's like something from a Hollywood movie.
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  144000 The numbers don't add up

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 1935 there were 63,146 who attended the memorial and 52,465 partook.

  (proclaimers book page 717).

  according to the bible teach book on page 78, it says, “since the days of the apostles, god has been selecting faithful christians in order to complete the number 144,000”.

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  Steel

  The more research i have done about the subject, the gathering of the 144000 in revelation it is a reference to a military census done in the book of numbers before the Jewish people moved into the promised land and the great crowd is a reference to this new multi ethic family of both jew and gentile called the body of Christ.

  It's really just the theme of the new testament. Old conevant to new constant, Jewish people to body of Christ etc etc.

  The 144 is most likely just a symbol for the body of Christ or church.

  Of course it's all very subjective like all propheic writings
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  Why are there more sisters than brothers at the Kingdom Hauls?

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have always wondered why there are more females than males in all of the congregations that i have visited?

  some of these females are in their 70's so maybe their husbands have died and women just live longer.

  or could the reason be that years ago men were the breadwinners and women stayed home to raise the children thus they were home during the week when the jdubs came a knocking?

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  Steel

  It's easier to suck a bored house wife into an absolute time wasting soul sucking cult, than a man living in the real world , making a living to support his family.

  My hall is literally a female social club.
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  My last Memorial

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i missed my first memorial last year in 60 years.

  it always amazed me on this special night that the jw's forget how to park their cars in the parking lot.

  i would pull in with my wife and there are 5 brothers giving directions on where and how to park my car.

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  I just love the giant theological holes in the memorial talk every year. I think anyone with even a basic understanding of the new testament can see it's mocking what Jesus did on the cross.

  if you believe in that type if thing.
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  Memorial Attendance: The Single Most Impactful TTATT "Witness" to Family and Friends

  by AMNESIANO in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anyone who has awakened to ttatt and conscientiously left the organization--especially a once-prominent individual from a prominent multi-generational tribe of jws-- after decades of devout, high-profile "serve-us," who continues to put in an annual appearance at the memorial thoroughly subverts and undermines, by this one act, any hope s/he may entertain that his/her departure will stir family or former friends to question the whole watchtower bamboozle.

  by this one concession s/he assigns him-/herself by every single jw to their handy and dimissive purgatory: the "spiritually-weak.".

  nothing blasts a louder, clearer, and more deliberate message to the jws who personally knew you and those familiar with your jw bona fides that you are not merely "not making the meetings" or "spiritually-weak" but that there is a conscientious reason you have rejected the entire watchtower society life than choosing to forego what they know you know to be their one-and-only holy and sacred event of the year, the lord's evening meal.

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  The so called memorial makes my skin crawl. It's literally a satanic cermony about pledging your allegiance the governing body.

  Yuck
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  Preaching From The Platform While Secretly A Satanist

  by Teufel in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello one and all.. i've been a lurker on here for a few weeks now and i am finally starting to post on some threads.

  a lot of the subjects that i wanted to talk about have already been covered so i wont bother restarting a topic that's been done to death.. im a 3rd generation, born-in, jw.

  currently faded.

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  Steel

  Satanism according to my understanding is it actually an extreme form of atheism that actually goes so far in it' belief there is no god , it actually mocks the Christian faith. It's all based on mockery not actually the occult or devil' and such.

  I have seen this mockery in the kingdom hall many times. From the disgusting so called memorial to white washing a history of doctrinal flp flops while running down other churches to the abortion called the new world translation.

  Jehovah witness to Satanist isn't really that big a jump.
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  suicide

  by zeb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  who among us has known a jw who has committed suicide.

  i believe this as a separate subject has not been covered..

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  Steel

  One lady mid 40s and single. All she really wanted was a family. She came from an uber family and going off the reservation for a mate wasn't an option.

  I guess when that last egg dried up and she realized she wasted her entire life being an unpaid telemarketer.

  Well. I guess we all know how it ended.
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  Memorial Invite

  by littlerockguy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i moved back to my hometown almost a year ago after being away for almost 20 years.

  since that time it's gotten around to others in the area and my relatives how i view the organization, not to mention that my brother and sister have outed me to some people about my sexual orientation and that's all it takes.

  so now i feel estranged somewhat from relatives i used to be close to even though i have not been outright shunned by them.

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  Steel

  I am still trying to figure out the point of hosting it since they changed the meaning of the faithful slave.