Posts by psyco

if god has been anointing women to be part of the kings and priests over humankind, why cannot they currently rule and guide 8 million people being part of the governing body (acquiring experience in that role as well)?.

psyco

After a few years, unexpectedly, my PIMI wife became PIMQ.

Today she even asked me a question that I found very interesting:

if God has been anointing women to be part of the kings and priests over humankind, why cannot they currently rule and guide 8 million people being part of the Governing Body (acquiring experience in that role as well)?

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Does the WTS have a clergy class (yes-no)

by blondie in

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wt 2021 october p.20 "in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

although we respect those who are taking the lead, we accept jesus’ clear teaching: “all of you are brothers.”".

ijbq article 92 point 6: in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

psyco

If I remember well, I read somewhere that in court one of the Presidents or Governing Body members (maybe F. Franz?) declared that JWs do have a clergy!

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I do not understand the universal issue anymore

by psyco in

to explain the universal issue we are often referring to a teacher and his/her students.. let us imagine that a teacher (god) has an hour (everlasting) class to show his students (humans and angels) how to fix a broken clock (to reign).. one student (adam) says he is able to fix it better independently, without the teacher's help (universal issue).. the teacher let him demonstrate that in front of all the others, but instead of an hour lesson he gives him only 5 minutes (death after a limited period of time) and he blocks one of the student's hands behind his back (imperfection).. if i were one of the other students watching i could think: but those were not the initial conditions the student was in when he said he could, and what would have happened leaving him more time and both hands free?.

am i crazy?.

psyco

If he is not, God changed the original conditions (perfection) when Satan challenged Him as you said.

If you challenge my right to manage a company and I let you demonstrate it taking away part of your abilities (perfection), would I really be demonstrating to others that you are not able to or that you are wrong, or that you do not have the right?

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I do not understand the universal issue anymore

by psyco in

to explain the universal issue we are often referring to a teacher and his/her students.. let us imagine that a teacher (god) has an hour (everlasting) class to show his students (humans and angels) how to fix a broken clock (to reign).. one student (adam) says he is able to fix it better independently, without the teacher's help (universal issue).. the teacher let him demonstrate that in front of all the others, but instead of an hour lesson he gives him only 5 minutes (death after a limited period of time) and he blocks one of the student's hands behind his back (imperfection).. if i were one of the other students watching i could think: but those were not the initial conditions the student was in when he said he could, and what would have happened leaving him more time and both hands free?.

am i crazy?.

psyco

Both Satan (and demons) and humans sinned: why is Satan still perfect and humans are not? Thinking that God said you will die not mentioning imperfection...
Both Satan (and demons) and humans originally had an everlasting life perspective: why is Satan still living after thousands of years and all humans die only after 80-120 years?

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I do not understand the universal issue anymore

by psyco in

to explain the universal issue we are often referring to a teacher and his/her students.. let us imagine that a teacher (god) has an hour (everlasting) class to show his students (humans and angels) how to fix a broken clock (to reign).. one student (adam) says he is able to fix it better independently, without the teacher's help (universal issue).. the teacher let him demonstrate that in front of all the others, but instead of an hour lesson he gives him only 5 minutes (death after a limited period of time) and he blocks one of the student's hands behind his back (imperfection).. if i were one of the other students watching i could think: but those were not the initial conditions the student was in when he said he could, and what would have happened leaving him more time and both hands free?.

am i crazy?.

psyco

To explain the universal issue we are often referring to a teacher and his/her students.

Let us imagine that a teacher (God) has an hour (everlasting) class to show his students (humans and angels) how to fix a broken clock (to reign).

One student (Adam) says he is able to fix it better independently, without the teacher's help (universal issue).

The teacher let him demonstrate that in front of all the others, but instead of an hour lesson he gives him only 5 minutes (death after a limited period of time) and he blocks one of the student's hands behind his back (imperfection).

If I were one of the other students watching I could think: but those were not the initial conditions the student was in when he said he could, and what would have happened leaving him more time and both hands free?

Am I crazy?

Obedience and loyalty test: Jesus vs Adam

by psyco in

if i remember well, jesus gained immortality as a prize only after his obedience and loyalty (apparently for the first time) on earth.

this means his obedience and loyalty were tested because of certain circumstances (otherwise they would have not) and a lot of time after being created.. first question:.

1) why did god create his first perfect spiritual creature (jesus) without needing to be immediately tested regarding his obedience and loyalty, but he created the first perfect human creature (adam) with that need?

psyco

If I remember well, Jesus gained immortality as a prize only after his obedience and loyalty (apparently for the first time) on Earth. This means his obedience and loyalty were tested because of certain circumstances (otherwise they would have not) and a lot of time after being created.

First question:

1) Why did God create His first perfect spiritual creature (Jesus) without needing to be immediately tested regarding his obedience and loyalty, but He created the first perfect human creature (Adam) with that need?

Second question:

2) How long did Adam have to be tested for? He spent almost 50 years (calculating from 1975 supposing this date is correct) without Eve not touching the tree of the knowledge of good and bad (that was already there). And what about Adam and Eve's descendants? Following God's command to "be fruitful and become many, fill the earth", so that to be born and live far away from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, how could their obedience and loyalty be tested?

Third question:

3) If Adam and Eve were able to disobey God's command to "be fruitful and become many, fill the earth" before sinning without consequences, why did they change after knowing they would have condemned their descendants to the same consequences they had to suffer? Today, couples with a risk of bad genetically transmitted diseases are able not to have children, and Adam and Eve much closer than us to perfection were not? The only alternative is to think they did not know. So, how could you believe that a universal matter regarding who was right and who was a liar (God or Satan) was raised since then (in front of all the angels) if God, knowing that billions of people would have paid the same consequences without any faults, did not tell them all the truth?

Am I crazy?