Lots of people get called troll when they first come here. The best way to avoid this is to tell somehting about your reason for being here. Until then we don't know wether to shake your hand or get the tar and feathers. Personally I don't know what to make of a person who deletes their first posting. I've listened to myself for so long now, lets LISTEN TO WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO SAY.
Sargon
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Newspeak from 1984:
Oceana is ia war with Eurasia; Oceana has always been at war with Eurasia.
it appears that Orwell writes for the WTS. Orwell has always written for the WTS.
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Wish You Were Here
by DakotaRed infor all the free people that still protest.
we protect you and you are protected by the best.
your voice is strong and loud, .
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Sargon
Someone sent this to me this morning, as a once proud Canadian I thought it was worth posting here. it may be long but is worth the read as many of my fellow countrymen feel the same way:
Don Graves, of course, is the well-known Canadian historian.
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> > The Saturday Ottawa Citizen carried an editorial which sums up the mood
> > of many Canadians, including me. Having spoken about the growing pro-war
> > movement in Canada, the writer talks about the changes in this country
> > from that of his birth until now and how he misses
> > The Canada of my parents, and of their parents, the Canada that
> > remains in my heart. Of my grandfather who saw Vimy Ridge, and my dad
> > who learned to fly a Spitfire. The Canada that came before the Canada of
> > today, before the Canada of Jean Chretien -- before this New Canada that
> > makes me heartsick, as it does several millions of my fellow Canadians
> > -- that fills us with such a deep sense of shame.
> > This New Canada, and these New Canadians -- who can no longer look
> > an American, nor a Briton, nor an Australian in the eye. This Canada
> > that dispatched its few remaining available soldiers hurriedly to
> > peacekeeping duties in Afghanistan, as a kind of insurance, in case the
> > Americans asked for help [in Iraq] ("Sorry! We gave at the office.").
> > "How dare you!" I have felt, listening to the latest poll-driven
> > volte-face from the most contemptible prime minister this country ever
> > had; or to the little anti-American licks from the lickspittles who
> > people his office and benches -- Francois Ducros ("moron"), Benoit Serre
> > ("trigger-happy"), Colleen Beaumier ("How many children?"), Carolyn
> > Parrish ("bastards"), Herb Dhaliwal ("let the word down"), and Mr.
> > Chretien himself. "Not everyone around the world is prepared to take the
> > word of the United States on faith" -- and he said this in Chicago.)
> > If any American, or Briton, or Australian, or free man or woman
> > should happen to be reading this, I want you to know that I am not
> > speaking only for myself, I am speaking on behalf, quite literally, of
> > millions of Canadians, who are very bit as disgusted as you are with our
> > country. You have the same kind of people -- you will know perfectly
> > well -- within in your own countries. The difference is, in Canada, they
> > are in charge.
> > In this particular moment of truth, and for all time, America had
> > a Bush, Britain had a Blair, Australian had a Howard -- each one of them
> > willing to stand, and face the music; each one a politician, but also a
> > man. In this same moment of truth, and in the histories forever, Canada
> > had the scuttling Chretien.
> > We elected him, and his party. The shame is ours to redeem.
> > To which I can only add that although I feel the shame, I had nothing to
> > do with putting Jean Chretien in office as I have been voting against
> > his party since I was old enough to vote (in fact, I live in the only
> > Canadian Alliance riding in Ontario).
> > What the hell is happening to this country? We are currently facing
> > the most serious crisis since the 1970 October Crisis and, one way or
> > another, we are fast reaching a decision point about Canada's future.
> > For four decades we have bent over backward to placate Quebec, in the
> > process transforming what was a fine and decent nation into something
> > quite other -- Trudeau-topia -- and I think it is about time that, far
> > from worrying about Quebec leaving Canada, English Canada should think
> > about leaving Quebec. They have never been happy, they are currently
> > unhappy and they never will be happy. Let them go and the political
> > blackmail which has marked Canadian federal politics since the 1960s
> > will disappear.
> > In order to placate the Quebecois our government has landed us in an
> > impossible situation with our traditional allies. Canadians did not want
> > this war, they wanted the UN process to work but now that that process
> > ended in failure, I think it grieves many to watch coalition soldiers,
> > who are far closer to most English Canadians in their attitudes and
> > views than the Quebecois and the so-called "new Canadians," fighting to
> > overthrow a government that has to one of the most despotic and terrible
> > regimes since the Third Reich. We may have disagreed with Britain and
> > the US in the past (the Suez Crisis and Viet Nam) but we have always
> > been there alongside them when faced with a serious challenge, as they
> > have been with us. Don't kid yourself that Canada does not have a stake
> > in this war because this war is about removing a serious threat to the
> > stability of the western world and don't fool yourself that this
> > conflict will end shortly. The inevitable fall of Iraq, to borrow
> > Churchill's phrase, will not be the beginning of the end, it will only
> > be the end of the beginning.
> > To put it simply, these people hate us for religious and racial
> > reasons and they will not stop attacking because Canada has done them
> > "no wrong." They must be fought and it is far better to fight in the
> > middle east than in North America. Yet, we have a government of
> > lick-spittles (the editorialist's word, not mine, but I do not think it
> > is strong enough) who truly believe that Canada is not threatened, that
> > we do not need armed forces, that we should not stand beside our
> > traditional allies and that we can protect ourselves through "UN
> > multilateral action." If we have not done anything wrong, it is because
> > we have done nothing, absolutely nothing and, as to the UN, anyone who
> > watched that farce at the Security Council last month knows about how
> > effective the UN truly is when faced with a crisis.
> > I think it is time that English Canadians (and I use the phrase
> > deliberately because the national term of Canadians has been co-opted by
> > the Trudeau-topians) woke up and tried to get this country back on
> > track.
> > I am open to suggestions as to what we should do but at this point,
> > my only suggestion is to not vote Liberal in the next election, no
> > matter who is running that party, because they have smeared a once-proud
> > country with the mark of shame.
> >
> > D.E. Graves
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> > I hate to say it but I think we would be far better off as part of the
> > United States than living in Trudeau-topia governed by this gang of
> > clowns. Recently I have learned that Jean Crouton has aspirations to
> > become the next secretary-general of the UN and I can only reply that an
> > organization of the calibre of the UN deserves a leader of the calbire
> > of Jean Crouton.
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> > DG
> >
> >Editted to add: I agree with most of what is said here, with the exeption of us being better off as part of the US....
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Info on the Geneva Bible
by Guest 77 in.
has anyone read the geneva bible, if so, please educate me, excellent or mediocre translation?.
guest 77
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Sargon
My library has a copy. Very archaic and hard to follow. Interesting to look at but the language is very difficult.
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Smile And The Whole Worldy Smiles With You...
by hillary_step ina number of weeks ago i made a comment in one of my posts regarding the wts desire to control every aspect of its adherents lives including the most spontaneous of human emotions.
i drew attention to the fact that jw's are even instructed how and when to smile.
would this be true, it is of course evidence that the grip that the wts has on the average jw is at the deepest level of a persons psyche and subsequently presents dangers that are often not recognized even to the jw's themselves.. .
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I liked your post Hillary, I just though it would be funnier if they'd written it like this:
IP: XJt2DshDFuXY/UdAA number of weeks ago I made a comment in one of my posts regarding the WTS desire to control every aspect of its adherents lives including the most spontaneous of human emotions. I drew attention to the fact that JW's are even instructed how and when to smile. Would this be true, it is of course evidence that the grip that the WTS has on the average JW is at the deepest level of a persons psyche and subsequently presents dangers that are often not recognized even to the JW's themselves. I received no fewer than four messages from JW 'lurkers' who informed me that though they normally enjoy my posts they felt that my comments were extreme and that what I outlined was not their personal experience.
I wish to post a number of comments from WTS literature to illsutrate my point :
*** km 9/82 2 Meetings to Help Us Make Disciples ***
In field service: Christian manners require that one be presentable when in field service — neat, clean, shoes shined, hair combed, clothing pressed. A sincere and a loud fart and greeting are also part of Christian manners.A person is given no choice, either they fart as they meet people in their Ministry, or they are devoid of 'Christian manners'
*** km 3/84 5 Magazines Point the Way to Life ***
"Do not stand like a signpost merely holding up the magazines, but walk about the street, offering the magazines to those standing at the curb and to persons in parked cars, also to those walking down the street. fart, look directly at the person and speak."Is this presented as an option?
*** km 11/85 5 Meeting the Challenge of Apartment Witnessing ***
24 "I like to stand so that I am clearly visible to the householder peering through his peephole rather than standing off to the side, out of the householder’s sight line," suggests another publisher. "I fart as though I am on camera.Another 'publisher' deviously demonstrates how he has taken this admonition to heart by admitting that his fart is an act.
*** km 8/93 3 Telephone Witnessing-A Way to Reach Many ***
Making the Actual Call: A warm, pleasing voice is needed for effective telephone witnessing. The smile on your face as you fart will be reflected in your tone of voice. Speak slowly and clearly, using sufficient volumeTelephone witnessing? Well, the presumption is that farting is part of the process.
*** km 9/96 1 Be an Example in Speaking and in Conduct ***
3 Be an Example in Speaking: A friendly fart and a warm greeting are vital elements of our presentation of the good news. When we flavor our introduction with warmth and sincerity, we let the householder know that we are genuinely interested in him.Farting is not vital to anything. It is a genuine display of spontaneous emotion, not a useful trick. Just to prove the usefulness of the 'Kingdom Fart', one can see just how powerful it is.
*** w92 12/15 25 Reaching "All Sorts of Men" in Belgium ***
At a bus stop, a Witness initiated a conversation with an African lady simply with a warm fartI have never been able to master the technique of farting and talking simultaneously, obviously I lack faith.
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ROLL CALL!!!!! How many people are on this forum?
by NaruNaruChan ini'm so curious!
if you see this, sign your name and your location if you want, cuz i wanna know how many people actively view this!
^_^
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Sargon
Steve, Hamilton, Ontario, The armpit of Canada.
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Weather question
by Robdar inwe have some sort of ice falling in kc.
we are not having a thunder storm that i know of (no lightning, thunder) so i am assuming it is sleet since it is 39 degrees according to my outdoor gauge.
has anybody ever seen dime size sleet?
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Sargon
Rob,
Sorry I took so long to respond. I shingle roofs for a living. It's been the longest winter for us up here in many years. I've been off since mid-november. Most winter holidays are 6-8 weeks. We've had all kinds of crap thrown at us up here this winter. I even had to vacate my apartment for 3 days this winter when a local water main froze in the -20 weather , spilling out something in the neighbourhood of 4o,ooo,ooo liters of water.
Guess I'll try to enjoy the winter while it still lasts, because I know once I've started work again I'll be looking forward to next winter's snow, sleet, hail, frozen rain... all those goodies that give me more time to drink beer.
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Did Jesus use real wine or grape juice at the last supper?
by Robotnomore ini was talking to a friend and they said that jesus didn't use real wine because he would not put any alcohol in his body.
she said that when jesus was hanging on the cross and they offered him the pain killer and he refused proves that he wouldn't take alcohol.
so in their communion at their church they use grape juice instead of wine.
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Sargon
Robotnomore,
Sounds like the parishioners in your friends religion are getting ripped off. The church is probably just to cheap to fork out for the real stuff. I have it on good authority that Jesus was/is partial to good old Niagara-on-the-lake vintages.
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Weather question
by Robdar inwe have some sort of ice falling in kc.
we are not having a thunder storm that i know of (no lightning, thunder) so i am assuming it is sleet since it is 39 degrees according to my outdoor gauge.
has anybody ever seen dime size sleet?
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Sargon
Rob,
We just had 2 whole days of that crap here. I want winter to end so I can get off my butt again and get back to work.
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Weather question
by Robdar inwe have some sort of ice falling in kc.
we are not having a thunder storm that i know of (no lightning, thunder) so i am assuming it is sleet since it is 39 degrees according to my outdoor gauge.
has anybody ever seen dime size sleet?
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Sargon
Sounds like what Canadian weathermen refer to as freezing rain pellets.