Posts by tor1500

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Mid Week Meeting. The book of Job....what does this teach me about Jehovah

by tor1500 in

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is it me or are you having a hard time commenting on what does this week's bible reading teach me about jehovah & what points from this week's bible study reading can i use in the field ministry ?

i'm having a hard time commenting because what does job show about jehovah....well, # 1 he allowed job's suffering, but he didn't let satan take his life.

# 2 what scripture could one use in the field ministry regarding the book of job...talking to a householder, see if you don't behave, god's gonna get you....or allow satan to get you.

tor1500

Hi All,

I loved all of your replies. #####why would anyone want to be reminded of such a horrible story at thier door? there is nothing joyful about ruminating jobs plight in life. This is exactly what I was thinking....what could you show a householder the door that is so positive from JOB....Now if you happen to spend some time with them, maybe you can show them how God, gave everything back to Job....but how long would that take ? What this book will confirm is that GOD can cause & cannot Cause...or should I say ALLOW...

I think it's a good book to show that no matter how you obey God & do what is right.....you're faith will be tested. I think we all think if we do good nothing bad will happen, but that ain't the case.....Jesus was good & looked what he had to go through.

As I mentioned before, I'll be glad when we finish this book...I like Eccl.it's got wise sayings....

I'll come back when I need to vent some more..LOL...This past Sunday's WT...Shun your own family, be Loyal to God first..I think God is saying no such thing...Humans love to shun, 'member when we were little & if someone was different or didn't smell so good, what did we kids do....We would say....Don't talk to so & so, they blah blah blah..so that's humans...Humans love to ostracize, 'member when Aids started...don't touch this person, you can get it if you touch them & so on....

Well, I'll be back soon with some more observations...

Tor

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Mid Week Meeting. The book of Job....what does this teach me about Jehovah

by tor1500 in

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is it me or are you having a hard time commenting on what does this week's bible reading teach me about jehovah & what points from this week's bible study reading can i use in the field ministry ?

i'm having a hard time commenting because what does job show about jehovah....well, # 1 he allowed job's suffering, but he didn't let satan take his life.

# 2 what scripture could one use in the field ministry regarding the book of job...talking to a householder, see if you don't behave, god's gonna get you....or allow satan to get you.

tor1500

Hi All,

Is it me or are you having a hard time commenting on What does this week's Bible Reading teach me about Jehovah & what points from this week's Bible Study reading can I use in the field ministry ? I'm having a hard time commenting because what does Job show about Jehovah....well, # 1 he allowed Job's suffering, but he didn't let Satan take his life. # 2 what scripture could one use in the field ministry regarding the book of Job...Talking to a householder, see if you don't behave, God's gonna get you....or allow Satan to get you. Although at times we all go through trials & we do come out a better person.

My thoughts are what does Job teach us about HUMAN NATURE...that would be the better question & a better study. I think many are thinking the same thing....Behind Job's suffering is...Satan & God allowing Satan to attack Job. I do think this is a better book for us to take a look at human behavior when under pressure...Job did what everyone else does who feel they have obeyed God...or at least to the best of their ability. Job lost everything & was in pain...what would any of us do...Complain, just like Job. First he says he won't talk against God, then he says, God, what did I do, I've been good, didn't I do all the right things?

I noticed not too many comments at my hall regarding Job & what this teaches us....Some do have comments but they are the same as the week before...In the back of their minds, I'm wondering if they are saying, Jehovah is behind all of this...what can I say, I can't say....Jehovah caused it...or can I ?

Well, soon we'll be out of this book of Job..I'll be happy...

I do remember one of the verses in Job 37:5:He does great things that are beyond our understanding...& some other stuff we don't understand...But he is God...& he can do what he wants or not. I love God, but not the human portrayal of God..

Just Venting,

Tor

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History of DF - Question

by thedepressedsoul in

from reading crisis of a conscience and members here, i have gathered that df was originally a means to cleanse bethel and stop apostates from spreading their own thinking inside the organization.

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when did it also branch over to sinners that were struggling with an issue that relapsed on multiple occasions?

tor1500

Hi All,

Sorry, typo....I meant to say..John 8:1-12 (old NWT).

Thx,

Tor

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History of DF - Question

by thedepressedsoul in

from reading crisis of a conscience and members here, i have gathered that df was originally a means to cleanse bethel and stop apostates from spreading their own thinking inside the organization.

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when did it also branch over to sinners that were struggling with an issue that relapsed on multiple occasions?

tor1500

Hi,

Here you go....

This is from the revised NWT: John 8...the scriptures start @ v 12.

8 12 Then Jesus spoke again to them, saying: “I am the light of the world.+ Whoever follows me will by no means walk in darkness, but will possess the light+ of life.” 13 So the Pharisees said to him: “You bear witness about yourself; your witness is not true.” 14 In answer Jesus said to them: “Even if I do bear witness about myself, my witness is true, because I know where I came from and where I am going.+ But you do not know where I came from and where I am going. 15 You judge according to the flesh;*+ I do not judge any man at all. 16 And yet even if I do judge, my judgment is truthful, because I am not alone, but the Father who sent me is with me.+ 17 Also, in your own Law it is written: ‘The witness of two men is true.’+ 18 I am one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.”+ 19 Then they said to him: “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered: “You know neither me nor my Father.+ If you did know me, you would know my Father also.”+ 20 He spoke these words in the treasury+ as he was teaching in the temple. But no one seized him, for his hour had not yet come.+

Now this is from the Older NWT James 8: 1-12: But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At daybreak, however, he again presented himself at the temple, and all the people began coming to him, and he sat down and began to teach them. 3 Now the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught at adultery, and, after standing her in their midst, 4 they said to him: “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of committing adultery. 5 In the Law Moses prescribed for us to stone such sort of women. What, really, do you say?” 6 Of course, they were saying this to put him to the test, in order to have something with which to accuse him. But Jesus bent down and began to write with his finger in the ground. 7 When they persisted in asking him, he straightened up and said to them: “Let the one of YOU that is sinless be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And bending over again he kept on writing in the ground. 9 But those who heard this began going out, one by one, starting with the older men, and he was left alone, and the woman that was in their midst. 10 Straightening up, Jesus said to her: “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11 She said: “No one, sir.” Jesus said: “Neither do I condemn you. Go your way; from now on practice sin no more

Tor

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History of DF - Question

by thedepressedsoul in

from reading crisis of a conscience and members here, i have gathered that df was originally a means to cleanse bethel and stop apostates from spreading their own thinking inside the organization.

.

when did it also branch over to sinners that were struggling with an issue that relapsed on multiple occasions?

tor1500

Hi,

I don't know the history of DF'ing, but what I do know is that it doesn't cleanse anything, it's a form of control. Witnesses use DF'ing for control & other religions use Hell as control. No matter how you slice it, man is always holding something over mankinds head to control & put fear in them.

How is it that JW's don't think the judging someone isn't taking God's job. God sees the whole picture. What right has man to judge another man ? NONE....

I noticed this scripture was removed from the NWT: where they brought a woman to Jesus & said she committed adultery & the crowd wanted her to get her come upp'ins....Jesus leaned down, drew a line in the sand/dirt & said, whoever has not sinned cross this line....Nobody stepped over also, they all left without a word...or as we say now..."Crickets". This scripture is in the old NWT. Why ? Because if you get called in, a person could use that as a defense....I know I would...I would make a copy for all of the brothers at my JC meeting...when they say, do you have anything to say...I'd give out a copy of that scripture to all of them with silence....& leave...or maybe break the silence & say....Oh by the way, this scripture was in our NWT before they revised it...No doubt they would go look it up...& Viola, there it is in black & white....even if I did get DF'd. I'd leave them with something to think about....for a long time...

The more the org. goes mainstream & people hear about DF'ing via internet, no matter how much the org. tries to say how loving DF'ing is....not too many folks are going to sign up for that...& the thing that slows down bible studies & interested person....AIN'T NOBODY STANDING IN LINE TO BE CELEBATE... Most folks still want to have sex, so they feel why join a religion that will shun you because of a natural feeling so they already know the deal...so why sign up, they know what will happen...what's the point.

Tor

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not all JW's are asleep

by Damascus in

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i am an 'active' jw but i do not agree with most of the doctrines inc blood, baptism, the memorial etc etc.i took the emblems at the memorial because i think we all should recognise and accept jesus' command to remember him.

not for one minute do i think this is only for the so called anointed.

i know it is full of man made error and that my fellow brothers and sisters are in a state of mindless, spiritual unawareness.

tor1500

Hi Damascus,

I agree with you 100%...I'm active but I don't swallow all the stuff they say....When I go out in field service, I too rarely have the literature....I use the bible. Most of the time I say to the friends...I had the lit, but some of the friends needed them so I gave them up.

What I'm realizing most of them in their need praise. Whatever they didn't get at home, it seems the org. is supplying it for them. Many of them feel they don't have any worth & the only worth they have is in the org. I like you feel pity for them. Most of them need a pat on the back. If they put in one extra hour for field service, they must mention it. If they come home later, they'll call you & say, I just got home from service. I know the CO & his wife, I know this person is one of the anointed & so on. Most of them can't even stay home, their thoughts drive them into the streets (Field service, carts, hopeless return visits).

Most of the friends are nice but have issues. Well, I guess you can say that about most of the world. It's sad, just look around your hall(s) & see the sad faces...look at the young generation...their eyes are dull.

I go, listen, take what I need & spit out the rest...The bible is telling us to love one another....not just folks who look like you, vote like you, worship like you.

I, like you, believe in God & Jesus...Man has no idea what the bible is saying...it's man's interpretation to fit how they want you to think....The bible in the wrong hands can be dangerous.

I keep asking God, if I'm not supposed to be here...get me out but don't make it hurt (DA'd or DF'd).

Tor

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Is this an inspired Error....Zealous or Jealous ?????

by tor1500 in

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this weeks imitate their faith...so did anyone catch (if you are still attending the mid week meetings) para.

18, where elijah says,1 kings v.10 "i have been absolutely jealous for jehovah the god of armies; for the sons of israel have left your covenant....)?

the grey bible says, " i have been absolutely zealous".

tor1500

Hi All,

This weeks Imitate Their Faith...So did anyone catch (if you are still attending the mid week meetings) para. 18, where Elijah says,1 Kings V.10 "I have been absolutely jealous for Jehovah the God of Armies; for the sons of Israel have left your covenant....)? The grey bible says, " I have been absolutely Zealous". The older NWT says, " I have been absolutely Jealous..." So which is it...I looked up both words...but they mean different things...Zealous means (overly)enthusiasm, & Jealous means a person who is overly possessive or envious of others (intolerant of others). He or she generally covets the possession of others....

So can you interchange these 2 words ?

Tor

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Some gems from the "Anointed" WT study

by NotBlind in

i know this has been discussed before, but i think some of these wacky (but thought-provoking) comments deserve their own thread.. paragraph 6 says: modestly, anointed ones acknowledge that they do not necessarily have more holy spirit than those with an earthly hope.

they do not claim to have special knowledge or revelations; neither do they try to prove that they are in some way superior.

somebody needs to send this memo to the gb.

tor1500

Hi,

We should also resist the urge to quiz spouses of anointed ones about how they feel knowing that they will live without their mate in the future earthly Paradise.

Always thought about this...how does a spouse or family member feel about never seeing them again....does the anointed prepare them, like most Fathers/Mothers that prepare their families for their death...tell them where the bank book is, insurance, & that they will be well taken care of. I'm thinking how painful this must be, others that are apart of the great crowd, looking forward to living 4 ever with their families. I'm also thinking maybe the Hubby doesn't want to be with his wife in the new system, so he say's he's anointed. That's a cheap divorce.

Tor

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They want to get rid of "anointed ones" - It's getting clear

by thedepressedsoul in

i've never met a group that turns on it's members like the jw's.

sister faithful that thinks she's anointed is now bat shit crazy with mental illness.

we all have known it's true, but now you have the wt, who put it in everyone's head that you can be anointed.

tor1500

Hi All,

Need some clarification. The 144,000 are chosen in the past & there is a remnant now ? Am I correct. Could someone explain these scriptures? Matt. 19:28;Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel. & Luke 22:30:so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom,+ and sit on thrones+ to judge the 12 tribes of Israel. So, I'm not understanding, will the 144,000 be chosen by Jesus's & the disciples will help Jesus to pick the 144,000. Luke says, they will sit on the thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel. Anyone can explain this to me...I think I know but I'm just trying to make sure. From these 2 scriptures, The 144,000 have not been judged or chosen as of yet....Thanks

Tor

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The Truth is not an ORG.....It's inside of you

by tor1500 in

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the truth, the org is the truth...ummm...let's think about that...i was thinking that the bible is the truth & what it does is that it reveals the truth about you...the more you read the bible the more you may see yourself & your actions.

you may be a person who judges people, the bible will show you what's wrong with that...viola, another truth revealed about you.

you may be a prideful person, you read a story in the bible about that...again, it's another truth revealed about you.

tor1500

Hi Xanthippe,

I read your link...amazing...My mother said, there is truly nothing new under the sun & she is correct. It was a very very interesting link...thanks...I don't mind when someone tells me that I need to do more research. I'm not too easily offended. We learn something new everyday until the day we die. We must admit we don't know all & that everything in life isn't explained....

I no longer look for reality, I'm close to 65 so I've been around the block & religion is just what it is...In the south churches is a social setting for socializing & worshipping. When you live in the south, if you're not going to a church or to a church function then you really haven't much to do. By the way I don't live in the south. Religion or should I say the folks in religion try to dictate what you should do.

What I'm thinking that if church/JW's are so bad, just think how bad they would be if they didn't go...Yikes.

The Truth is inside of me....I know that...What my original topic was that the truth is not in the org, church, etc but inside of you to find...I didn't mean that religion was where you can find it....for some it exposes who they really are. There are some good examples in the NT of how humans should treat one another or how our attitudes are..I always love the account where A man is forgiven for his debts, yet he doesn't forgive someone who owes him...I think we can all identify with that story...Haven't at one time or another been forgiven, but won't forgive someone in return? Haven't we all seen someone sick or hurt and know we should help (Good Samaritan)....It's about morals...I know the bible is not the only place to go.

I'm glad you sent me the link, more for me to know & they don't....

Because of my age, I'm finally comfortable with myself, I'm not here anymore to please man or care what they think. I think that's why in my congregation, they don't really bother me. I'm my own person, but this web site keeps me sane until I have the courage to leave...

Tor