Posts by tor1500

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Strip off the old personality

by eyeuse2badub in

yesterday’s watchtower talked about how by becoming a jw it enabled “worldly” people to ‘strip off the old personality’ and make really significantly good changes in their life.. paragraph named 4 individuals (anonymous names of course and probably embellished tales)) sakura, ribeiro, stephen, and hans.

their lives changed for the good because they found god or because they became jw’s---right?.

so on the way home from this wt meeting, my wife commented to me how wonderful our brotherhood is and how it helps people who would otherwise be ‘lost’ n this world.

tor1500

Hi,

Strip off...think about those words...has anyone ever stripped paint off of something, hard work ain't it? Depending on how much paint is on it...Just the word strip, sounds like it hurts...it hurts to change old habits...so many of the witnesses can't strip off the old personality, why ? Because it hurts...they just appear to change by their comments or coming to the meetings, keeping up on JW.TV, reading all the latest, shunning, looking like a good witness, but they haven't changed a bit...

I'm in a hall, everyone looks and sounds like a Christian, but ask for something, watch them shuffle. Ask for a loan, they have to ask their spouse, that's an easy way to say"NO"...need a ride, got to ask at least 10 folks before you get one if at all....

Witnesses know how to make it look like they have changed, but take it from me....Most of them haven't, they are faking it 'til they make it...

It's hard for folks to change...sometimes it takes you years to be who you are bad or good so it will take some more years for you to change...People only change when they are sick and tired of being sick and tired...

Tor

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How do they get away with "New Light"?

by moreconfusedthanever in

one thing that bothers me greatly is the fact that they can change their policies and beliefs and just say its "new light" and no one bats an eyelid.. there are many scriptures such as isaiah 40:8 "the word of god will last to time indefinite.

" or hebrews 6:18 "it is impossible for god to lie".

if he is "spirit directing" the borg then there should be no need for new light..

tor1500

Hi,

Because they realize people are more educated now...they can read...even though they may not question they can read....they have gone so far ahead of the scriptures to appear more knowledgeable than the other religions...at the time they started, how many in or out of the truth were able to dispute the truth the org. found in the same bible the world has been reading, they were pulling out of the bible reasonable truths that if not challenged to the average JW it made sense....

New Light is nothing but back peddling...Jesus ain't Michael, 144,000 (are virgin men, not only JW's), no two different classes, FDS is just a parable, God didn't really mean not to have blood transfusions...& on & on...

The question is how do they get away with it....because I'm a witness and know ttatt, most of my congregation knows the ttatt, but they feel it's the best place to be...

They feel the new light is very commendable of the society, they admit they were wrong, so that makes them humble, & that's what rocks the boat of the average witness, they admit their mistakes...as long as the org. does that and the friends don't have to admit theirs, they are quite happy for the new light because it takes the light off of them of the stuff all us witnesses do in the dark.

The more the org. tells us not to do the more we sneak and hide...we are children dressed up in adult clothing...

Just think a grown person tattling on another grown person & they are ok with that...& they need a new light to tell them, it's wrong....

The ORG. is a social setting just like the rest of the world...I work and folks only come to work to socialize, drink coffee all day, go to the bathroom a million times...(they go to Starbucks, all day)...& sometime during the day they work...the same with witnesses, they love to socialize & then sprinkle a little religion on it...

The only message the witnesses don't get it is the message of PEACE...they will never admit how empty they are after the meetings...never...

Tor

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Did you leave the JW RECENTLY? Really? Recently? WTF were you thinking?

by The Real Edward Gentry in

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not to be overly harsh...but if you just left, what the hell were you thinking?

between 1995 and now, you never did an internet search of "jehovahs-witness" or "watchtower"?

good god.

tor1500

Hi All,

I'm kind of a newbie...from my observation many stay because of the secure feeling they get...Many may not even had that type of secure feeling in their own home from their own parents, so the environment is good for those who don't know the difference between conditional love and unconditional love....some people don't get no hugs at home so when they come to the hall, they come to you and say, Ahhh, I need a hug, they blame it on the system but it's either because they live alone or who they do live with, they get no love, just spiritual food...the hall is the only place they may get support, so many factors of why folks stay...why do folks stay with an abusive spouse, who knows, only the shadow do...lol...

As someone said many don't want to rock the boat. Many see the ttatt, but no one has stepped on their toes as of yet, but just wait...I'm close to many of the brothers and sisters, and they talk, some even know of a sister or brother whose child was molested and they still come but they are cold towards the org., but still come because to them it's still the truth...why they stay, you would have to ask them...

Most like to be spoon fed and they are, they are safe, they will wake up in paradise, they haven't the guts to endure this world the way it is...all they do is whine...witnesses don't like to be unconvenienced, they want the easy life now, don't want to pay bills, work or anything because they are witnesses. Witnesses can't cope with the real life so they run to the hall...like those who run to meds, when they can't take it...

You ask what were you thinking...that's the ticket right there....they weren't thinking they were being spoon fed and felt safe and that if anything happened to another friend within the org. even if the org. was wrong, most likely the sister or brother were wrong, never to believe the org. was unfair, until...IT HAPPENS TO THEM.

Tor

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How Many Witnesses Would Really Take Blood?

by minimus in

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up until the very end, my mother refused blood.

it didn't matter if it was a blurred line or not, the bible says "no blood"!

i wonder if she was in the minority, in her thinking.

tor1500

HI,

Here's the deal on blood, the bible is full of do's and don'ts...Witnesses are more faithful in that than anything else, their MO is not to do nothing for nobody...so instead of helping someone or be nice to someone the best they can do is the blood issue...They are not faithful with too much else...

But I've heard some stories...one witness left the hospital and came back in disguise....& got blood...

Do they really think God will be pleased with them for denying Blood ? Don't think so...why are there only a few blood types, & if you have the same blood as someone else you could save a life even yours...but here's the deal...only life a witness cares about is their own, they would throw their own family under the bus for paradise...

I had an operation and a blood card....DISMISS...

It's easy to project would you would do, but when it's time to do it...different story...

Witnesses just like to look pious and be martry's (martry's are dead)....

Tor

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The Watchtower's Real Crisis

by JeffT in

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when discussing the watchtowers financial problems, i've generally been of the opinion that they probably are not in a real financial crisis.

i've come to believe that money may be something of an issue, but its wrapped up in a much larger problem.

this came to me this morning when reading about the annual meeting.. i think the society's leadership is just plain out of ideas.

tor1500

Hi All,

What I think...again, what I Think, doesn't have to be true...I think we have more literature and tools than people. The society has given us so much information, we are on overload....when we the monthly magazine, by the time we get the hang of it to present it....then the next issue is in... The literature chariot is moving faster than the org....

The society ran ahead of the scriptures and at the time, they were ground breaking...nobody could debate them at the time....now, the average person who reads can debate most of their doctrine....the new lights would just be scriptures they read too much into...like my favorite...Michael is Jesus...no way...they have too much back peddling to do regarding the scriptures...they are going to start to make it more simple...

New lights are just stuff they got wrong, (Aka: ran ahead of the scriptures). Also, trying to scale down to show WE ARE IN THE LAST DAYS...YOU CAN TELL BY OUR LITERATURE, JEHOVAH TOLD US NOT TO WRITE TOO MUCH...IT'S THE END...

No more year book,. only because too many folks are drinking the wine and crackers....the # is supposed to go down...but they keep going up....the stories are old as dirt...

Now they don't want us to drag along studies for a long time....but what the real deal is that we are bringing in nuts and misfits...many that are coming in are mental....the org. can't handle mentally ill folks...

It's all about the slight of the hand...

As someone said, they are running out of ideas....nothing new...and they are running out of fools, too.

Tor

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Interesting conversation with JW friend

by Jules Saturn in

i was withh a friend of mine who is a jw still and for whatever reason we started talking the bible.

i asked him about lazarus and how is that when he died he paid the price of sin, but then jesus resurrected him.

and i asked him "where is lazarus today?

tor1500

@ Jules Saturn,

Yep, that's what I see in the scriptures....but I have one of those type of minds....I find if I keep my sense of humor I can get through this JW thing....

When you come to think of it..nobody wants to die....nobody wants to live so long and be in pain and can't enjoy life but if God/Jesus could bring us back and we could be naked and happy again...why not?

Regarding the mouth to mouth I see in the bible...don't pay me any attention...I like this site because I can say it...can't say it in the hall, even if they find it funny, they'll say, You funny...but what they are really saying....You are not funny...

Just having some fun with the scriptures...

Tor

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Interesting conversation with JW friend

by Jules Saturn in

i was withh a friend of mine who is a jw still and for whatever reason we started talking the bible.

i asked him about lazarus and how is that when he died he paid the price of sin, but then jesus resurrected him.

and i asked him "where is lazarus today?

tor1500

Hi,

I can explain Acts 20:9...This is the first mouth to mouth resuscitation....performed by Paul...isn't there another incident in the bible where someone dies and someone lays on them 3 times and they get up...ah, found it...1Kings 17:21-22, Then he stretched himself out over the child three times and called out to Jehovah: “O Jehovah my God, please, let this child’s life* come back into him.” 22 Jehovah listened to E·liʹjah’s request,+ and the life* of the child came back into him, and he revived.*+, now if that don't sound like mouth to mouth resuscitation, I don't know what does...

To me there is nothing doctrinal that will stumble a witness the only thing that will stumble a witness is another witness...only when a witness is mistreated will they acknowledge anything wrong in the society..it's the thief that screams the loudest....

Tor

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Are there any KH in Israel????

by James Mixon in

curious , i was thinking about serving where the need is great..that would be a hard sale, that would be like me setting up a lemonade stand at the gate of a kkk rally...

tor1500

@James Mixon,

This shows they don't care if it's the truth or not...it's a place where everybody knows your name...

The History is right there...but I bet many of them researched many things, but won't talk about it...

Most JW's are inbred...it's a social club...their doctrine flips and flops...so they know it's the truth...NOW, until a new light...if they were really interested in the truth...Well, folks I'll let you finish that sentence....

I would love to be able to visit that part of the world to find out the real deal...

Tor

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Are there any KH in Israel????

by James Mixon in

curious , i was thinking about serving where the need is great..that would be a hard sale, that would be like me setting up a lemonade stand at the gate of a kkk rally...

tor1500

HI,

Having a KH in Israel would be too close to the truth...it would dispel all the FDS class would have to say...Too much real history in Israel...

We would really find out when Babylon was destroyed...

Tor

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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.

just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.

tor1500

HI,

My favorite would be Michael is Jesus...So I would ask, Jesus is Michael the Archangel too? Ok, how would you explain this scripture from Heb.1:The Son was made greater than the angels, just as the name that God gave him is greater than theirs. 5 For God never said to any of his angels, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.”Nor did God say about any angel,“I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.” 6 But when God was about to send his first-born Son into the world, he said, “All of God's angels must worship him.” 7 But about the angels God said, “God makes his angels winds, and his servants flames of fire.”8 About the Son, however, God said:“Your kingdom, O God, will last[a] forever and ever! You rule over your[b] people with justice. 9 You love what is right and hate what is wrong.That is why God, your God, has chosen you and has given you the joy of an honor far greater than he gave to your companions.” I copied this scripture from the Good News bible...real simple to understand...even if you use NWT, it says the same thing...

I think this Michael/Jesus thing is eventually going to be dropped...These scriptures in Hebrews are very clear...I believe they explained it in the reasoning book...but we don't really use that book anymore...

I have others, but don't want to write too much so nobody will read it.

Tor