Hi,
Celibacy....nobody standing on line to be celibate....& they only love you when you going to be a witness....
Folks find out that they love you conditionally....
Tor
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Why is there such a 'high turnover' within the Jehovahs Witnesses?
by UnshackleTheChains ini happened to come across a time article in 2008. it was basically talking about the high turnover in american faiths.
it mentioned the jdubs and highlighted the following point.. an even more extreme example of what might be called "masked churn" is the relatively tiny jehovah's witnesses, with a turnover rate of about two-thirds.
that means that two-thirds of the people who told pew they were raised jehovah's witnesses no longer are — yet the group attracts roughly the same number of converts.
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Delineation of Biblical Application for Anointed vs R&F
by IronSharpensIron ini think it would be great for the gb to clearly define the scriptures that are intended towards the 'anointed' who are already counted, depending on who you believe, and the remainder of scriptures intended for the rest of the followers.
that way there is no confusion during biblical discussions about how little of the bible actually has to do for the great crowd.
and so new studies can clearly see, defined, how little of the bible god cared to preserve for the great crowd.. further it would be useful to know from the gb what scriptures are believed to be literal and which are solely spiritual.. just an idea.
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tor1500
HI,
There is no such thing, the bible applies to all....when Jesus says there are others in the flock but....that means there are others who just not ready to follow Jesus right now...John 10:16...that is what that means to me...
Why do humans always see each other in different classes...rules for one and rules for the other....there seems to always be an upper echelon in life...even when flying...first class, second class, etc...
The message of the bible is for everyone...Remember the org. see's themselves in the Bible...So they elected themselves as the anointed, ain't nobody said nothing to them....it's all man-made...
Don't believe the hype, because that's just what it is...the org. plays on folks esteem, some feel unworthy no matter what...the ones that don't have made themselves the anointed...I hope they haven't defiled themselves sexually....
Tor
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If the WTBTS Was Disbanded Tomorrow...
by Cimarrona inhow would the gb, do, co, bethelites, elders, pioneers, etc list their now-meaningless positions on their resume?
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HI,
Most would just faint and have the vapors....the org. is their life blood, it would be like pulling the plug and most would just plain short circuit...talk about the walking Dead...
I think many also would jump for joy, quietly in their heads...
Tor
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Signing Away Your Hard Earned Cash
by Disassociated Lady 2 inreading the meeting workbook study for this week to see what my family will be reading at their meeting, once again they are asking for members for generous gifts not only from money they earn but also part of any investments they may have and making future arrangements for them to inherit after death through their wills.
take a look at the lower part of the page on this link, its awful!
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20151115/donations-worldwide-work/.
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tor1500
HI,
As most of you know I haven't been a witness for too long, but I remember from the stage how many of the Brothers would give a talk and mention how the churches are installing ATM machines & how they are like the story of the money exchangers that Jesus threw out of the church. & See how greedy christiandom is...blah blah blah....now look whose calling the kettle black, remember when the org. talked about the Catholic churches with child molestation....JW land is always pointing judgmental fingers at others...but they were the ones that said if you point a finger at someone, how many fingers are pointing back at you ?
The more the ORG. accuses other religions, it's just a matter of time that the org. is guilty of the same thing.
They are begging just like other religions, it's how they package the message that the average JW accepts...they have no idea of how the org. really makes their money....flipping real estate...
Tor
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Strip off the old personality
by eyeuse2badub inyesterday’s watchtower talked about how by becoming a jw it enabled “worldly” people to ‘strip off the old personality’ and make really significantly good changes in their life.. paragraph named 4 individuals (anonymous names of course and probably embellished tales)) sakura, ribeiro, stephen, and hans.
their lives changed for the good because they found god or because they became jw’s---right?.
so on the way home from this wt meeting, my wife commented to me how wonderful our brotherhood is and how it helps people who would otherwise be ‘lost’ n this world.
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tor1500
Hi,
Strip off...think about those words...has anyone ever stripped paint off of something, hard work ain't it? Depending on how much paint is on it...Just the word strip, sounds like it hurts...it hurts to change old habits...so many of the witnesses can't strip off the old personality, why ? Because it hurts...they just appear to change by their comments or coming to the meetings, keeping up on JW.TV, reading all the latest, shunning, looking like a good witness, but they haven't changed a bit...
I'm in a hall, everyone looks and sounds like a Christian, but ask for something, watch them shuffle. Ask for a loan, they have to ask their spouse, that's an easy way to say"NO"...need a ride, got to ask at least 10 folks before you get one if at all....
Witnesses know how to make it look like they have changed, but take it from me....Most of them haven't, they are faking it 'til they make it...
It's hard for folks to change...sometimes it takes you years to be who you are bad or good so it will take some more years for you to change...People only change when they are sick and tired of being sick and tired...
Tor
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How do they get away with "New Light"?
by moreconfusedthanever inone thing that bothers me greatly is the fact that they can change their policies and beliefs and just say its "new light" and no one bats an eyelid.. there are many scriptures such as isaiah 40:8 "the word of god will last to time indefinite.
" or hebrews 6:18 "it is impossible for god to lie".
if he is "spirit directing" the borg then there should be no need for new light..
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tor1500
Hi,
Because they realize people are more educated now...they can read...even though they may not question they can read....they have gone so far ahead of the scriptures to appear more knowledgeable than the other religions...at the time they started, how many in or out of the truth were able to dispute the truth the org. found in the same bible the world has been reading, they were pulling out of the bible reasonable truths that if not challenged to the average JW it made sense....
New Light is nothing but back peddling...Jesus ain't Michael, 144,000 (are virgin men, not only JW's), no two different classes, FDS is just a parable, God didn't really mean not to have blood transfusions...& on & on...
The question is how do they get away with it....because I'm a witness and know ttatt, most of my congregation knows the ttatt, but they feel it's the best place to be...
They feel the new light is very commendable of the society, they admit they were wrong, so that makes them humble, & that's what rocks the boat of the average witness, they admit their mistakes...as long as the org. does that and the friends don't have to admit theirs, they are quite happy for the new light because it takes the light off of them of the stuff all us witnesses do in the dark.
The more the org. tells us not to do the more we sneak and hide...we are children dressed up in adult clothing...
Just think a grown person tattling on another grown person & they are ok with that...& they need a new light to tell them, it's wrong....
The ORG. is a social setting just like the rest of the world...I work and folks only come to work to socialize, drink coffee all day, go to the bathroom a million times...(they go to Starbucks, all day)...& sometime during the day they work...the same with witnesses, they love to socialize & then sprinkle a little religion on it...
The only message the witnesses don't get it is the message of PEACE...they will never admit how empty they are after the meetings...never...
Tor
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Did you leave the JW RECENTLY? Really? Recently? WTF were you thinking?
by The Real Edward Gentry innot to be overly harsh...but if you just left, what the hell were you thinking?
between 1995 and now, you never did an internet search of "jehovahs-witness" or "watchtower"?
good god.
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tor1500
Hi All,
I'm kind of a newbie...from my observation many stay because of the secure feeling they get...Many may not even had that type of secure feeling in their own home from their own parents, so the environment is good for those who don't know the difference between conditional love and unconditional love....some people don't get no hugs at home so when they come to the hall, they come to you and say, Ahhh, I need a hug, they blame it on the system but it's either because they live alone or who they do live with, they get no love, just spiritual food...the hall is the only place they may get support, so many factors of why folks stay...why do folks stay with an abusive spouse, who knows, only the shadow do...lol...
As someone said many don't want to rock the boat. Many see the ttatt, but no one has stepped on their toes as of yet, but just wait...I'm close to many of the brothers and sisters, and they talk, some even know of a sister or brother whose child was molested and they still come but they are cold towards the org., but still come because to them it's still the truth...why they stay, you would have to ask them...
Most like to be spoon fed and they are, they are safe, they will wake up in paradise, they haven't the guts to endure this world the way it is...all they do is whine...witnesses don't like to be unconvenienced, they want the easy life now, don't want to pay bills, work or anything because they are witnesses. Witnesses can't cope with the real life so they run to the hall...like those who run to meds, when they can't take it...
You ask what were you thinking...that's the ticket right there....they weren't thinking they were being spoon fed and felt safe and that if anything happened to another friend within the org. even if the org. was wrong, most likely the sister or brother were wrong, never to believe the org. was unfair, until...IT HAPPENS TO THEM.
Tor
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How Many Witnesses Would Really Take Blood?
by minimus inup until the very end, my mother refused blood.
it didn't matter if it was a blurred line or not, the bible says "no blood"!
i wonder if she was in the minority, in her thinking.
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HI,
Here's the deal on blood, the bible is full of do's and don'ts...Witnesses are more faithful in that than anything else, their MO is not to do nothing for nobody...so instead of helping someone or be nice to someone the best they can do is the blood issue...They are not faithful with too much else...
But I've heard some stories...one witness left the hospital and came back in disguise....& got blood...
Do they really think God will be pleased with them for denying Blood ? Don't think so...why are there only a few blood types, & if you have the same blood as someone else you could save a life even yours...but here's the deal...only life a witness cares about is their own, they would throw their own family under the bus for paradise...
I had an operation and a blood card....DISMISS...
It's easy to project would you would do, but when it's time to do it...different story...
Witnesses just like to look pious and be martry's (martry's are dead)....
Tor
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The Watchtower's Real Crisis
by JeffT inwhen discussing the watchtowers financial problems, i've generally been of the opinion that they probably are not in a real financial crisis.
i've come to believe that money may be something of an issue, but its wrapped up in a much larger problem.
this came to me this morning when reading about the annual meeting.. i think the society's leadership is just plain out of ideas.
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tor1500
Hi All,
What I think...again, what I Think, doesn't have to be true...I think we have more literature and tools than people. The society has given us so much information, we are on overload....when we the monthly magazine, by the time we get the hang of it to present it....then the next issue is in... The literature chariot is moving faster than the org....
The society ran ahead of the scriptures and at the time, they were ground breaking...nobody could debate them at the time....now, the average person who reads can debate most of their doctrine....the new lights would just be scriptures they read too much into...like my favorite...Michael is Jesus...no way...they have too much back peddling to do regarding the scriptures...they are going to start to make it more simple...
New lights are just stuff they got wrong, (Aka: ran ahead of the scriptures). Also, trying to scale down to show WE ARE IN THE LAST DAYS...YOU CAN TELL BY OUR LITERATURE, JEHOVAH TOLD US NOT TO WRITE TOO MUCH...IT'S THE END...
No more year book,. only because too many folks are drinking the wine and crackers....the # is supposed to go down...but they keep going up....the stories are old as dirt...
Now they don't want us to drag along studies for a long time....but what the real deal is that we are bringing in nuts and misfits...many that are coming in are mental....the org. can't handle mentally ill folks...
It's all about the slight of the hand...
As someone said, they are running out of ideas....nothing new...and they are running out of fools, too.
Tor
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Interesting conversation with JW friend
by Jules Saturn ini was withh a friend of mine who is a jw still and for whatever reason we started talking the bible.
i asked him about lazarus and how is that when he died he paid the price of sin, but then jesus resurrected him.
and i asked him "where is lazarus today?
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@ Jules Saturn,
Yep, that's what I see in the scriptures....but I have one of those type of minds....I find if I keep my sense of humor I can get through this JW thing....
When you come to think of it..nobody wants to die....nobody wants to live so long and be in pain and can't enjoy life but if God/Jesus could bring us back and we could be naked and happy again...why not?
Regarding the mouth to mouth I see in the bible...don't pay me any attention...I like this site because I can say it...can't say it in the hall, even if they find it funny, they'll say, You funny...but what they are really saying....You are not funny...
Just having some fun with the scriptures...
Tor