Posts by Confusedalot

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Some Things Just Dont Add Up, How Did We Miss This???

by pale.emperor in

some things i just didnt notice at the time which now seem so obvious:.

the bible tells us that the end will come like a thief in the night, when we least expect it.

(matthew 24:44).

Confusedalot

These points are things that have made me doubt God and the bible. It of course doesn't end with the bad treatment of women, but also multiple atrocities (including genocide) in the Bible that are hard to deal with.

Despite this I have somehow stayed religious, even venturing into apologetics for a while, but these things still bother me. Maybe it is my JW programmed fear that keeps me trying...

I remember going to a watchtower study after trying to deal with some of these issues, and the topic was the "impartiality of Jehovah", and I was extremely distraught trying to bring these topics together and still stay sane....

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Intro... Back after a long non-lurking hiatus

by jwundubbed in

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i hope this is the right place to put this.

so, i joined this site a while ago because i was looking for conversation and to help people.

i think at the time i actually needed to be around the kinds of people that i had grown up with as well.

Confusedalot

Hi jwundubbed

From your post: "I feel and take on responsibilities that aren't mine. This is what I'm working on at the moment."

I can sympathize with that, because I am also struggling with the same issues. As you know the effects of JW brainwashing have long term effects on our behaviour and thought patterns that seem very difficult to shake. Talking and sharing seem to work wonders though, especially with people that share some common ground.

Best wishes..

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Where were the Angels ?

by Phizzy in

i do not wish to trivialize or minimize the horrific murder of a jw lady in finland as she handed out mags etc from her cart in finland, but do you remember the stories we used to hear of angels protecting jw's in their "preaching" work ?.

where were the angels when this lady needed them ?

watching from heaven ?.

Confusedalot

Every good experience is attributed to GB and Jehovah, while all the bad ones are attributed to unforeseen occurrences (as mentioned above), or on the weakness or fault of the individual. Therein lies the power of the system the GB has established.

Their claims are unfalsifiable, and that is how they avoid responsibility for everything.

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Over 300 DFed apparently went to a northern U.K R.C!

by Isambard Crater in

that's what i've been told by a family member (elder) who went to one of the regional conventions in the north of the u.k lately, who told me the 300 or more disfellowshipped who returned to jehovah by attending show that the end is so close, just like the final talk says..

Confusedalot

I'm starting to think that "the end is near" that JW's are preaching is not about the end of this system but the end of Jehovah's Witnesses(without them realizing it).

Rev 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins or contract any of her plagues.

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Jehovah's Witnesseses have been waiting so long for Armageddon...

by usualusername1 in

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that they have starting building towers from watches or watchtowers....

Confusedalot

Its sad when you are always watching but forget to open your eyes and ears while doing so.

They are always watching but cannot see or hear what the spirit says....

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Religious Fanatic Mother

by LickingMyWounds in

i have been faded for 5 years raising my kid after jw wife cheated on me.

i go to the memorial here and there.

my mother is a pioneer.

Confusedalot

I feel your pain regarding your mother's actions, and I also feel your frustration about loved ones trapped in this organisation...I have to continuously restrain myself from becoming angry, nasty etc about this organisation and the fallout from their way of doing things. People who have left the organisation or cooled down perceive the JW members and GB actions as highly illogical and even cruel, but when you are on the JW bus all these things are sadly the most logical thing in your life, and living by them makes you feel "in a relationship" with God.

It takes self restraint not to start thinking active members are deliberately bad people (though some are), and to realize the GB and JW system are behind how their members act. What usually helps me is to realize that not many years ago I was exactly the same way my mom is now....scaaaary.

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Miracles and responses—both are not explicable

by venus in

a miracle is an event not explicable by natural or scientific laws.

bible reports many such miracles.

interestingly, responses to these reported miracles could be even labeled as a greater miracle which cannot be explained by any known law, logic or experience.

Confusedalot

Could the reason be that these people lived at a time when almost everything was a miracle because of scientific ignorance and lack of knowledge?

When the wind blows, it rains, the sun or moon rises and eclipses or lightning strikes and you are not sure what it is, and you think its some act of God, someone turning water into wine seems less special.

Our Lord was killed due to his perceived attack or blasphemy against the religious "truth" of the time...in spite of the miracles he performed to try to wake them up.

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Humourous reasons to go back

by usualusername1 in

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in my stand up comedy routine tonight i want to list humourous reasons why i shd go back to jws.. how about nobody throws parties like jws.. how about jws being at the cutting edge of fashion.. how about it being easier for men to get a date.. any ideas?.

paul.

Confusedalot

I would go back, and every now and then during the assembly yell "hallelujah" out loud just to see the response.
Or start speaking in tongues that resemble lord of the rings elfish, and see if any elders or ministerial servants will be able to remove me.
What about using a rap skit to place magazines while doing field service with the brothers and sisters. e.g "Watch you back....watchtowers back, boom boom pfff (some beatbox), these mags are going faster than crack....boom boom pff (more beatbox), you think were mad.....boom boom pfff, but its because your bad...pff pff pfff, read this will you...boom boom...or God'l kill you....pfff......I'm Out!

I apologize for that, not sure what came over me lol

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"Only Witnesses demonstrate Christian Love"

by Jules Saturn in

so a couple of nights ago i was speaking with a relative and we began talking about the organization.

i had to asked her "why do you believe that this religion is the correct one?

" they stood quiet for a second but then said that they view and feel genuine christian love, a type of love that is spoken about in the bible.

Confusedalot

The problem is they define love as bringing someone to Jehovah in a spiritual sense. Giving out food and supplies to the needy doesn't compare to showing real love by bringing them to Jehovah. They see shunning as love, because it keeps God's organisation clean and can help the DF to come back to "The Truth". Child abuse is blamed on the members and not the GB so that argument is useless too.

This barrier is extremely frustrating to fight against. I know how it works because I was behind it for many years.

The GB spends huge amounts of time indoctrinating its members, we cannot expect one argument or debate to change thought patterns that have been so deeply entrenched.

Normally people become disillusioned due to their own experiences in the organisation and less by external influence.

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JWs biggest problem is not doctrinal issues

by Chook in

it's biggest problems are associated with its lack of genuine love and concern for the rank& file.

the average person doesn't need a food critic to tell them their hamburger is shit, in the same manner the average person can discern kindness and love.

gbs fake love and concern is evident in the way head office deals with victims of sexual abuse by jw clergy.

Confusedalot

The brothers and sisters are so loving, they helped me get up on stage and read the bible in front of everyone. The power and love of Jehovah is really great.

The truth? I suffer from social anxiety and I was so stressed that my stomach started to bleed minutes before I had to read. It was one of the worst experiences I ever had. Would a loving God expect that from me? Or a loving elder? My mom is old and frail and they guilt trip her into doing field service (she even goes alone into dangerous areas to "get her hours right") by telling her the "end is near".

All I can say is there is a lack of true love and holy spirit with this organisation IMO.