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  Teachings "Unique to JW's" They Hide From You Before Baptism

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah can't be your father in this life.

  'they [jw members] address him prospectively as "our father.

  jesus is not your mediator:.

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  It’s not something that JW’s will tell you straightforwardly. Most don’t even know.

  Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.

  Most JWs don't know, and even fewer care.

  Doctrine doesn't matter to well over 90% of JWs.

  All that matters is, if I "listen and obey", I'll be "blessed" with a new world mansion, a pet panda, and I'll get to see dear dead grandma again.

  Oh! And fruit. Lots & lots of fruit. Piled high on picnic tables. Grapes the size of apples! Apples the size of watermelons! Watermelons the size of....really big watermelons!

  Hope you like fruit.
  
  
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  Looking For WT Quote

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does anyone have 1945 wt 8/15/45 p. 253i'm looking for confirmation of where the wt reportedly states that jehovah is only jw's "prospective" father.

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  Even if you find someone who has a copy of that 75 year old magazine, if you were to use it to try to convince a JW that it was some sort of "hidden teachings", the JW would just roll his eyes and tell you you were using "old light".

  Here is a quote from a 2020 Watchtower article that the good, obedient JW would point you to:

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2020281#h=1:0-28:379

  We can rightly call Jehovah “Father”​—he is the Source of our life.

  
  
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  Teachings "Unique to JW's" They Hide From You Before Baptism

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah can't be your father in this life.

  'they [jw members] address him prospectively as "our father.

  jesus is not your mediator:.

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  It is not normal for people to flat out lie to your face

  You must not have very much experience in politics.
  
  
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  What is your most favorite politically incorrect film

  by mickbobcat in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  since all the leftist idiots are trying to cancel films they don't like i am buying some dvds of my fav.

  pi films.

  my favorite top pick is animal house.

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  "Blazing Saddles" would never ever get made today.
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  Can we stick to topics that we came that we came to this forum in the first place?

  by James Jack in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i don’t care about politics, books you are reading, movies and tv programs you’re watching, etc..

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  FFGhost

  Makes me wonder if Amazon delivers to Bethel and if so do they ship booze in a plain unmarked box?

  I'd be willing to bet there is at least one still somewhere on the grounds of Wallkill and / or Patterson, quite possibly even Warwick.
  
  
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  A MYSTERIOUS (maybe romantic) LETTER arrives!

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  mysterious romantic letter?.

  my story begins at noon with the letter-carrier dropping off a mystery envelope.

  (for my grandson severin (he was out walking his chihuahua.).

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  I like how it's written on notebook paper. Binder wholes and all - lends an air of seriousness to her message.

  Seems like Lucia is probably 11 years old, and on the next sheet of her notebook she wrote her book report on "The Outsiders".
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  Drinking during Prohibition

  by Davros in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  during a recent conversation i had with someone, a question came up that i really don't know the answer to.

  did jw's still drink during prohibition in the us during the 1920's until it's repeal in 1933?

  was alcoholic beverages considered forbidden and possibly subject to disfellowshipping?.

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  I wonder if they will forbid ingesting legal cannabis for recreational use.

  The latest elders' manual (12:15.4) specifically mentions "...a practice of abusing addictive drugs, including betel nut, marijuana, and tobacco" as a disfellowshipping level offense.

  It then goes on to mention that an exception may be granted for cases where a "medical doctor authorizes and/or prescribes marijuana for a medical problem".

  I can see a lucrative business opportunity for an unscrupulous MD to "authorize" the use of "medical marijuana" for JWs. Requests from kids of wealthy elders alone would be enough to allow him to buy a 50 meter yacht and dock it in Monaco.

  
  
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  Drinking during Prohibition

  by Davros in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  during a recent conversation i had with someone, a question came up that i really don't know the answer to.

  did jw's still drink during prohibition in the us during the 1920's until it's repeal in 1933?

  was alcoholic beverages considered forbidden and possibly subject to disfellowshipping?.

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  Earnest,

  Thanks!

  I wonder if there is documentation or history of any actual early Bible Student "church trials".

  The Proclaimers book mentions "on rare occasions" - how rare? Was there an "official" procedure that was to be followed? Who made the final determination?

  What happened if the person was found "guilty"? The New Creation book mentions "withdrawing fellowship", but what did that mean in practice? Everyone, including family? Did "fellowship" mean within the walls of the meeting place, or outside it as well? What was the procedure for one found guilty to be "restored"?

  I would imagine that "rare occasions" indicates vanishingly rare, but I'd love to see documentation (if any exists).

  I'd bet it does exist in some dusty, forgotten corner of the Bethel archives.
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  Drinking during Prohibition

  by Davros in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  during a recent conversation i had with someone, a question came up that i really don't know the answer to.

  did jw's still drink during prohibition in the us during the 1920's until it's repeal in 1933?

  was alcoholic beverages considered forbidden and possibly subject to disfellowshipping?.

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  "Disfellowshipping" wasn't invented until the mid-to-late 30's, well after the end of Prohibition.

  And even that was just for "exceptional" cases. The invention of disfellowshipping in the form like it is today (judicial committee of 3 elders, 2 witnesses or confession required, appeals, reinstatement, etc.) wasn't invented until 1951 or so.

  There really wasn't any sort of "enforcement mechanism" for undesired behavior until well into the reign of Pappy Knorr.

  The stifling stranglehold on "acceptable" behavior arose only slowly, slowly, over decades, like the gradual boiling of the proverbial frog in the pot of water. In the 1920s it was still just a small group and generally the few in at that time had more freedom.

  It would be an interesting research project, though, to see what the 1920's literature had to say about alcohol and prohibition.
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  The WT will now produce a Jesus Movie (Series)

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm actually looking forward to their warped view of matthew, mark, luke and john for this.

  the drama from 2015 wasn't that bad.

  however.... yeah steven lett mentions othe films about jesu are plagued with false religion.

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  Other thread on this topic:

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5712497653841920/new-series-good-news-according-jesus