Posts by FFGhost

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February 2024 Study Watchtower -

by BoogerMan in

february 2024 study watchtower p. 2 par.

2 - "however, a question may arise: 🤣 what will happen to christ’s “other sheep” who will be serving jehovah faithfully on earth during the “great tribulation”?

(john 10:16; matt.

FFGhost

Lol.

Clue #8,483 for the governing bumbleheads:

If you have to write an article telling everyone “we ourselves are so beloved”….maybe you ain’t quite so beloved.

Idiots.

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The FDS Photoshop

by Vanderhoven7 in

for those interested in the latest version of the faithful slave.

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from the february 2024 watchtower .

FFGhost

LOL.

That’s all over Reddit now.

The funny part is, the original photo comes from the “God’s Kingdom Rules” book, published in 2014. The original had Guy Pierce in the middle and Morris on the right.

They just keep photoshopping that same photo over and over. Later they published it after they took out Pierce when he died. Later in another publication there was the same photo with Cook plunked in.

Now they publish yet again the same photo but with Morris pulled out and Fleegle & Winder smushed in.

It really says something when the GB can’t even be arsed enough to take a new picture together, but instead they keep photoshopping the same pic over & over & over again.

I’m not sure what it says, but it sure says it!

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Just had a thought…

by Vidiot in

i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….

…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….

…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….

FFGhost

I think you nailed it.

Some of the most hysterically vicious comments I’ve ever heard were JWs ranting, sometimes at a meeting, sometimes in a private setting, about either gays or evolution.

It’s interesting, I never heard such utter vile disgust directed toward, say, murderers or drug dealers or child pornographers, etc. Just solely directed toward, as you noted, persons or concepts that very likely, on some level, they hoped were wrong but maybe weren’t.

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Six minute video of WTBT$ begging for money, now on JWBorg website

by EasyPrompt in

six minute video of wtbt$ begging for money, now on jwborg website.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/accomplishministry/pub-mwbv_202311_1_video.

"thank you for 'setting something aside'" robert butler.

FFGhost

Yeah, used to be, when they still printed Watchtowers 24 times a year, every October there was an article with “loving reminders” on how you could donate lots of your $$$$$$ to the WT.

They’d remind how faithful and loyal you would be to donate your stocks, bonds, jewelry, real estate, etc. over to them, and how you could set up a trust to benefit them, or give them your entire estate upon your demise in your will, etc.

It was like clockwork for decades - “October? Time to insert the give-us-money article”.

Now of course most of the content of the Watchtower is filled up with study articles so there isn’t room for a printed give-us-your-money article, so instead they did this video.

They always did it in October, I figured, as a reminder to the handful of wealthy American JWs to send in their money, while there was still time for it to count as a tax deduction (to “charity”) before the end of the year.

Same old, same old, the usual message in a new format.

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Steve Lett doesn’t look well

by Teddnzo in

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as soon as you see steve letts talk at the agm you think to yourself “oh my, what’s happened to him?.

his hand has plasters and his skin doesn’t look healthy, like he has inflammation or something serious going on.. he had put on weight and is all bloated and puffy .

his skin really doesn’t look good, the kind of inflammation many people notice after the experimental covid vaccines.. there have been very high numbers of people reported inflammation after the experimental covid vaccines.

FFGhost

Let has had the “puffy” look of someone who has been on prescribed steroids (for example Prednisone) for many years. It’s frequently used to treat arthritis.

His fingers, when not encased in bandages, have the look of bratwursts. I suspect he has major issues with arthritis in his hands.

Pretty much all of the old guys (Herd, Lett, Jackson, Splane) are looking noticeably more haggard these days.

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List of main points from 2023 AGM

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

1. doctrinal changes how new light comes about.

the gb raise questions then talk about it, unless it’s unanimous they wait, then years later talk again if it’s unanimous it then gets announced as new light.. 2. the gb are imperfect and sometimes make mistakes.

they are not to apologise or even admit they were wrong.

FFGhost

statistics about how many people die and are born each day. “-Is it reasonable for us to say that Jehovah and Jesus immediately label those of goats even though they have not had a full opportunity to respond? Is it possible those may be resurrected as righteous persons? An upcoming watchtower will give us all the details on this.

This is exactly the point that “apostates” have been making for decades.

Each day that Armageddon delays, there are 100s of thousands more newborn infants who would have to be “lovingly” slaughtered by Jesus and his 144,000 horsemen.

Unless, somehow, Jehovah determines that such an action wouldn’t be “loving” after all.

But then, it is completely inconsistent to spare an infant who has “not had the opportunity to know Jehovah” but yet slaughter a child, a teen, or even an adult who has had literally 0 contact with any JW in their “ministry”.

To be consistent, Jehovah would have to “read hearts” at Armageddon, sparing those who had a “good heart”.

But what if someone with a “good heart” had a bad day when the JWs happened to pop around, and he didn’t listen? He would have been better off not getting a witness at all, and just depending on Jehovah’s mercy, right?

But that being the case, isn’t it safer, even more loving, to not give a witness at all? Just let Jehovah read everyone’s heart?

So what’s the point in giving a witness at all then?

These bozos are really floundering. They are just completely clueless about what they teach, and why.

What an absolute mess.

At least in the old days, the message was coherent. It was spectacularly wrong, based on wild speculation and outright guesses using out of context scriptures, but at least it was internally consistent and occasionally entertaining.

Now though, we get the governing bumbleheads thrashing about, not even bothering to try to make it make sense.

Sometimes people on this forum make jokes about the gb suddenly grabbing suitcases full of cash and jetting off to the Cayman Islands. I laugh along with everyone else. But maybe that’s no so far fetched after all?

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Thought on “0 hours” reporting

by FFGhost in

so everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.

beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.

the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?

FFGhost

this change would make me tape a tract to my car window, mark ‘active’

LOL.

Any of you old-timers remember riding in the family car on the way to the summer convention, and the excitement when you saw some other car with a Watchtower taped to the inside of the rear window?

There you go, another way to “legitimately” check the “active” box next month.

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Thought on “0 hours” reporting

by FFGhost in

so everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.

beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.

the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?

FFGhost

they can claim over 8 million active members worldwide. Thus making their retention figures look better for a while

Yeah, in the short term, it gooses the numbers a little. Maybe they even hit 9 million in the next year or 2.

But the actual amount of real ministry will plummet. All those “20 hour” publishers will now be “4 hour” publishers. All the current “4 hour” publishers will now become “2 minute” publishers.

They’re not going to keep track of hours anymore, but if they did? Hours would be, what? 20% of the current amount? 10%? Less?

Over the past 3 years, hours plummeted and new baptisms plummeted even farther. What will baptism numbers look like 3 or 5 years down the road (if they still publish them)?

Without enough new baptized members, and with mortality affecting the remaining demographically aged JW population ever more strongly, the numbers will inevitably drop.

i know they are reacting to <something>, and they likely have some sort of plan to keep the game going, but at this point it just feels like they are throwing in the towel.

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Thought on “0 hours” reporting

by FFGhost in

so everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.

beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.

the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?

FFGhost

So everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc. Beginning November 1, JWs just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.

So there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?

The idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”? Don’t JWs teach that “giving a witness” is pretty much “talking about any ‘spiritual’ topic with someone who is not a baptized JW”?

So, at a congregation meeting, there is almost certainly going to be at least a few unbaptized JW kids. Virtually any meeting will have kids in attendance.

So, if I make a comment at the WT study, or the CBS, or any other meeting, aren’t I publicly expressing my faith within the hearing of unbaptized people?

So if I make any comment at a congregation meeting, aren’t I engaged in “any form” of witnessing? So if I just answer a question, can’t I go ahead and check the box?

i’ll go even one better. Isn’t just raising my hand a form of “giving a witness”? Unbaptized people see that I want to “express my faith”, and that in itself should count as a “witness”, right? I’m evidently willing to say something, and all these unbaptized kids in the audience will say to themselves “wow, he has faith and wants to express it”. Voila, witness given, and I can check the box for that month.

So all you PIMOs out there - want to stay in good graces as an “active publisher” until you finalize your exit plan? Just shoot your hand up a second or 2 after the conductor has picked someone else to comment, and you can legitimately 🤓 “check the box”.

is it just me, or did the “brain trust” at Warwick not really think this through? They have effectively made “active publisher” so easy to accomplish that it is now an utterly meaningless designation.

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This answers the question if the organization was going to go more Hardline or mainstream.

by nowwhat? in

looks like we can expect a kinder, gentler jehovah and jesus during the great tribulation.

the door will not be closed to all non jws at the start of the tribulation.

but will have time to repent after false religion is destroyed.

FFGhost

Is the idea that it may not be too late for people to repent after the GT starts found in recent WT publications?

I found this in the WT October 2019, page 9:

“Besides staying awake ourselves, we also want to help others wake up to what the Bible foretold would happen in the world. Let us remember that once the great tribulation begins, it will be too late for people to turn to Jehovah. That is why our preaching work is so urgent!”

Which is obviously exactly opposite of what they just said on Saturday.

So at the meeting 10/7, they contradicted both points in this paragraph:

— people can “turn to Jehovah” after the GT starts

— that being the case, and not bothering to count hours anymore, in what sense is the preaching work “urgent”?

That WT is only 4 years old. It undoubtedly takes them a long time to formulate and articulate changes in doctrine, so likely not long after this article was released, they were working on the change.