Posts by FFGhost

19

Did Tony Morris Get Sideways with His Bros.?

by Sea Breeze in

interesting video connects the dots.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3ff1ibybfe4&t=205s&pp=2ahnazacaq%3d%3d.

FFGhost

It certainly is a reasonable conclusion about “connecting the dots” between TM’s dismissal and the flurry of significant changes.

I don’t so much buy the argument that the changes are “merely semantic”, however. This is a pretty seismic policy shift in how df-ing, er, “removal” will be done. As written, pretty much the only people who will ever be “removed” from this point forward are brazen apostates and those who really really REALLY want out.

What’s more interesting to me is the implication of how precarious the financial situation of the WTS must be.

Power is the cocaine of the WTS in general and the GB in particular. Power over their adherents’ lives. For a certain subset of humanity, control and power are far more desirable and pleasure-inducing than money, sex, drugs, glamour, fame….combined.

For them to give up what really is a significant chunk of that absolute control is noteworthy. And for what? 1.5 million dollars a year from a little Scandinavian country?

Are they really so economically fragile that the removal of 1.5 million dollars coerces them to loosen their grip on the one thing they crave more than anything else?

Maybe it’s not so much the actual 1.5 million, maybe it’s, as mentioned toward the end of the video, fear of other countries doing <something> for similar reasons. Maybe removing their tax exemptions?

But again, if your business model is fully dependent on “free government money” and/or “complete and total tax exemption”, such that you nearly completely decimate your primary control element over the flock (fear of being “removed”)…..it’s not much of a robust business model, is it?

How bad off are they, financially?

17

Creation, Not Evolution Best Explains Genetics

by Sea Breeze in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umnhg0a9dlu.

evolutionists can change their model, and invent stories whenever they want to accomodate data.

biblical literalists are stuck with just one model, one account, and are unable to change it.

FFGhost

Is this the same creation Com. That claims that noah took dinosaurs onto the ark?

LOL.

“You’re gonna need a bigger ark”

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October Elder's Letter Delayed- Big Announcement at Annual Meeting

by Newly Enlightened in

https://youtu.be/93h5zpbil6k?si=ffatfxjuxmj_na9i.

FFGhost

You want to know what’s really weird?

Not only is the October s-147 form not posted yet….but the s-147s for July, August, and September have been removed from the jw hub.

They post the s-147 forms under a single heading, then have multiple files under the heading. They do them for 6 months at a time.

There’s headings for “January to June 2024”, “July to December 2023”, etc. but the one for “July to December 2024”, which was there a few weeks ago and held the announcement sheets previously posted for July, August, and September has been deleted.

I don’t ever recall them (a) not posting the s-147 so late and (b) removing the immediately previous forms.

It’s very strange. There doesn’t seem to have been anything “earth-shattering” at the meeting, so why pull old announcements and not post the new ones?

22

JWhub

by Mikejw in

i’m an elder who is pima, i’m amazed how much info is available to all elders.

you can see all private details of every member of the congregation.

i wonder how these sisters feel about their private details being available to these creepy elders?.

FFGhost

If anyone had any doubts this poster, and his 6 or 7 other aliases, is a troll, this topic should resolve it.

It is complete and utter BS that “all elders” can see “all private details” of “every member”.

Next step: 3 or 4 of those alias accounts will jump on this thread to tell me how wrong I am

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Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting

by slimboyfat in

say it ain’t so!

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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?

FFGhost

Not sure about this one.

On the one hand, it’s been blindingly obvious that they’ll eventually have to “do something” about the perennially increasing number of partakers reported every year, beyond labeling most as “emotionally unstable” as they have been doing. Making the “144,000” a symbolic number is the most obvious and easiest solution.

on the other hand, the OP seems to be based on a single poster over on Reddit who read a WT article about “the anointed” wherein the number is not mentioned. Seems like a pretty flimsy pole to hang your hat on, especially since in a different article (QFR actually) in the same magazine the number “144,000” is explicitly stated.

I guess we’ll find out in a couple of weeks, but I don’t think it will be made “official doctrine” yet.

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EXPLOSIVE NEW LEAKED VIDEO OF C.O. CHASTISING ELDERS

by raymond frantz in

jw
friends

https://youtu.be/np05twylal8?si=wjcdevvpxmlwxb2p.

shame is an ancient form of control.

shame is the mechanism used to control behaviour.

FFGhost

Good lord.

I cringed so hard I think I pulled a muscle (sorry).

The ability of the WTS to shoot itself in the foot never ceases to amaze me.

As noted in the earlier post on this thread, if this were rigorously enforced, they’d lose half their elders and three-fourths of their MS overnight.

The true believer elders, the ones they want to keep, would see this and think “OMG, I’ve offended Jehovah, I must confess immediately and lose my privileges in order to keep my precious relationship with Jah”.

The PIMOs, the cynics, the power hungry narcissists, the ones they don’t really want, would see this and think “dang, I better clear my browser and search history ASAP” or at the very least, “if I have any problems with my laptop or phone, I am absolutely never giving it to a fellow JW for repairs”.

Well done, whoever is leaking these.

25

New instructions on not using sisters to manage KH computer ?

by fifth.column in

since covid in france, especially in the countryside with lack of brothers, it was quite common that some sisters were using the computer at the back of the kingdom hall to manage zoom session.. i heard a rumor that new instructions, maybe a july letter, stated that this was reserved for male only, even unbaptised publishers, but no sister if there is at least a male available.

that would be a steps back and disappointment for these sisters.

last week i heard at my mom’s house how they were happy that this service was available for them, a proof that the org was moving forward.

FFGhost

Yeah, that’s right.

In a lot of places in Europe (maybe elsewhere too?), post-COVID, they started using “sisters” to run mics and run the sound desk, because there just simply weren’t enough “brothers” present at the KH.

Evidently, the branch offices found that horrific, or at least embarrassing, so in the monthly “announcements and reminders” to congregations (July 2024, sent just this week), they put the kibosh on the practice.

The letter says that “baptized brothers in their early teens or younger” could be used for such “practical tasks”. And that congregations must “contact the circuit overseer for direction before using sisters”.

All that, of course, is in the “elders only” section of the letter, NOT to be read to the congregation.

I can think of more than a few sisters who are going to be “bent out of shape” when these recent “privileges” are suddenly yanked away.

I was thinking, maybe, that the borg was considering increasing the role of sisters in the congregations, starting with mics & sound desk, and conceivably, after many years, possibly even opening up the way for them to be ministerial servants. I always thought it odd how 1 Timothy 3:11 specifically addressing “women” was plopped directly in the middle of the list of requirements for MS in 1 Tim. 3:8-13. I thought, maybe, with the loosening restrictions on field service reports and dress codes, they might, after a suitably long time, open the door for “sisters” to have even more responsibilities.

Alas, I should have known better.

An 11 year old baptized boy “outranks” Sister Pioneer with 40+ years of experience. Thus shall it ever be so in WT-world.

13

JW Ranking System

by NotFormer in

it's fairly evident to little old outsider me that the organisation has a class system, perhaps even a caste system.. from what i've read, there seems to not only be an official ranking system (m.s., elder, c.o.

) but an unofficial one.

has anyone ever sat down to figure out what the unofficial ranks are and how they affect the pecking order?

FFGhost

A (slightly obsolete) oldie but goodie:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/2671/updated-list-watchtower-ranks-classes

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My guess for August WatchTower: GB claims we're in beginning stages of Great Tribulation due to World governments turning on JW's

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

the september watchtower has already been released and is being discussed over on reddit.

some highlights: .

1. more hitting the flock on total reliance and obedience to god's representatives on earth today, the f&ds (the governing body, of course).

FFGhost

Here’s what I can’t figure out….

OK, so “something came up” and they need to do an extensive rewrite of at least some of the information for the scheduled August WT.

It’s so extensive it may require an extra month, or even two months of writing, editing, rewriting, etc.

Meanwhile, work continues on the September WT and October WT. In fact, that content is finished before the rewrites of the August mag.

Why can’t they just take the September WT, swap out the date in the cover and footers, and name <what was the September WT> as <the new August WT>?

What is so special about “August”? Why not just switch up the order a bit so the rewritten articles get dumped into a WT with a later date?

The obvious apparent answer is “they want these rewritten articles to be studied in October, not earlier, not later, but exactly in October”.

But why? What possible difference could it make? WT articles are dull, bland, uninteresting and perfectly interchangeable. If a local KH were to decide to study, I don’t know, an article from March 2018 at this week’s meeting, anyone who didn’t have a copy of the current WT in front of them would have no idea.

There has to be a reason why THOSE articles HAVE TO be in the AUGUST WT, but I just can’t think of what it could be.

Any ideas out there?

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They must also change the treatment of those who dissociate themselves from the JWs. It is inevitable

by LaFrancia in

from reddit ex jw, a user posted this material of a hypothetical new light on dissociated people......i'm posting it only for the record, nothing else is known.

it seems that the topic has been deleted either by the moderators or by the user himself.

understanding dissociation in light of the scriptures.

FFGhost

Yeah, that’s not from any “secret” or “recalled” Watchtower article.

There are literally dozens of clues indicating this was not written by any JW.

The most glaring is the reference to “Jehovah’s grace”. Anyone who has spent more than 15 minutes with a JW knows that JWs absolutely never ever ever EVER use the term “grace” in connection with God - too much like “Christendom”.

There are, as I mentioned, lots of other clues.

“Jesus asked the Twelve, you don’t want to leave too, do you?”

— not an exact quote

— WT writers never use contractions

— WT would never capitalize “Twelve”

Etc.

”They are no longer considered part of Jehovah’s Witnesses”.

That’s just bad grammar. Say what you will about the Writing department, grammatically they are nowhere near that sloppy (granted, some of their sentences ARE quite tortured - but still, they are never near that bad).

Sorry, these paragraphs are just the deluded ramblings of a wishful apostate’s mind.