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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-20-08 WT Study (Presence)

  by blondie in

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  "what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system things?"--matt.

  q) 6 what does revelation chapter 12 help us to understand about christ's presence?

  q) 8, 9. who would recognize the sign of christs presence and understand its meaning?.

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  Jeffro

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  No, parousia means 'presence' in not just Modern Greek but also in the Koine and Classical Greek and this is where Leolaia's nonsense and that of other apostates fails because it is based on a lie. Apostates want to rewrite the Greek Lexicons as they have this crazy notion that parousia means 'coming'. The Society under the tutelage of 'celebrated WT scholars have finally got the right interpretation of the Mathean 'generation' and everyone is happy about that except the 'evil slave' class'.

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  Revelation - It's Grand Climax Adjusted

  by Jeffro in

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  having received a copy of the new watchtower library cd, i decided to do a comparison of what actually changed with the updated revelation book.

  i was expecting some significant changes with some 'new light' for the 'trumpet blasts' or other 'important' stuff, but in all, i thought the changes were mostly quite mundane, though some seem a little crafty for different reasons.

  any thoughts.... throughout.

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  Jeffro

  The changes that you have listed are minor or technical in nature serving the need for clarity and accuracy so that we can be so ever grateful for the pure biblical research of the celebrated WT scholars.

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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-20-08 WT Study (Presence)

  by blondie in

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  "what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system things?"--matt.

  q) 6 what does revelation chapter 12 help us to understand about christ's presence?

  q) 8, 9. who would recognize the sign of christs presence and understand its meaning?.

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  Blondie

  Celebrated WT scholars have long last published clarification of that moxt vexed phrase 'this generation' in the Synoptic Gospels. Christendom's scholars have had great difficulty in making sense of the Olivet Discourse so this correct understanding of matters is of benefit to all peoples. [removed - JGnat]

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  Watchtower Comments THE GENERATION CHANGE Featuring LEOLAIA

  by V in

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  I have printed out for critical examination Leolaia's analysis of the Watchtower article on the Parousia and the Generation. It is pleasing that the 'celebrated WT scholars have for the benefit of not only the Lord;s people and those of 'goodwill' but also the community of scholars worldwide. The Watchtower is the most widely published Bible journal on earth and has a long contribution of producing research for the benefit of all peoples. For many decades scholars and theologians alike have been much troubled in the exegesis of the Olivet Discourse in the Synoptic Gospels and in particular that troublesome phrase 'this generation' in Matt 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 21:32. At long last the matter is now simply and accurately presented in the Watchtower, Feb 15, 2008 Study Edition.

  Leolaia's analysis is amateurish, devoid of careful scholarship and full of deceit and trickery. It is typical apostate nonsense with half truths and a pandering to higher critics and those who would rather pursue a lazy and unChristian lifestyle. From the very first comments on the mistaken Markan priority over Matthew it is all 'downhill' from there. So, I wish to respond in some detail to this nonsense posed as scholarship over the coming days and I will be offering pertinent criticism of this nonsense.

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  Ptolemy's "Canon" unreliable .

  by hamsterbait in

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  the "canon" of ptolemy cannot be used to reconstruct babylonian succession.

  this is because it is an astronomical treatise.. it does not even pretend to be a history of the babylonian kings list.. ptolemy compiled his information to back up the (at that time) astonishing accuracy with which astronomical events could be predicted and traced using his model of the solar system expounded in the almagest.. so if no notable event happened in the reign of a particular king, he is not mentioned.. however events which could be traced to a date and time, are mentioned, and the king ruling at the time named.

  this would facilitate tracing the records made by the babylonians who were expert observers of celestial phenomena.. the egyptian historical records also show 587 as the date of jerusalem being sacked.

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  hamsterbait

  Sadly, Ptolemy's Canon is very unreliable and is useless for the purposes of accurate Bible chronology for even one of its greatest supporters the esteemed chronologist Edwin W Thiele admitted that it was prepares for astronomical and not for historical purposes. In fact, the king list for the Babylonians is at least twenty years too short giving a false and misleading date for the Fall of Jerusalem in 586 or 587 BCE rather than the biblical date of 607 BCE.

  Along with the Egibi documents such secular records omit important historical facts such as the missing seven years of Nebuchadnezzer' reign and the fact that the biblical seventy years that began during Nebuchadnezzer's reign proves that the Neo- Babylonian chronology is at least twenty years too short. It is far wiser to accept the Bible as the authority rather than the opinions of apostates and higher critics who have not interest in upholding the integrity of the Bible.

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  Egibi Business Tables, The Watchtower ignores fundamental Evidence!

  by VM44 in

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  the egibi banking family lived in babylon continuously through the time period of the reigns of the neo-bablylonian kings.. many of their buisiness records for have survived and provide a detailed description of how business was transacted by the babylonians circa 600 bce.. the discorvery of the egibi records is not recent.

  they were found in the later half of the 19th century and are mentioned in many books and articles.. for example, google books has this book, hours with the bible, or, the scriptuers in the light of modern knowlege, by cunningham geikie.

  that was published 1892, that mentions the egibi records and how they provide .

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  VM44

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  Well it comes down to the fact as to how much historical value can be attributed to these documentts. You claim that these documents are a credible witness to the integrity of the traditional chronology but that does not make sense when these documents lack historicity. Further, the data in these documents do not account for the twenty year gap between biblical chronology and Neo-Babylonian chronology for there is compelling evidenc ethat the traditional chronology is at least twenty years too short. The business documents are at best 'problematic' and have only cultural merit being useless for the purpose of chronology.

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  Egibi Business Tables, The Watchtower ignores fundamental Evidence!

  by VM44 in

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  the egibi banking family lived in babylon continuously through the time period of the reigns of the neo-bablylonian kings.. many of their buisiness records for have survived and provide a detailed description of how business was transacted by the babylonians circa 600 bce.. the discorvery of the egibi records is not recent.

  they were found in the later half of the 19th century and are mentioned in many books and articles.. for example, google books has this book, hours with the bible, or, the scriptuers in the light of modern knowlege, by cunningham geikie.

  that was published 1892, that mentions the egibi records and how they provide .

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  VM44

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  Celebrated WT scholars have lomg been interested in the Egibi business tablets as they provide a fascinating insight into the every day life of the Babylonians and its economy however these tablets have very little value for chronology. Apostates and higher critics have in recent times peddled the view that these documents support the traditional chronology accounting for every single year of the entire Neo-Babylonian period thus proving that there is no gap of twenty years required for biblical chronology.

  However, there are serveral problems with such a grandiose claim and that is that these business documets have to be interpreted and the data that these documents provide must fit a template and what template did those first scholars who accessed those documents provide. Why was it not Ptolemy's Canon that George Smiith and W. Boscawen utilized. Since those times such a Canon has long since been discredited and recent research by Rol F Furuli has shown that the data in those business documents is unreliable and in fact can be expanded to prove that the Neo-Babylonian period was much longer than traditional chronology allows.

  My problem with all of those business documents legal and otherwise is the lack of historicity. In other words, specific historical data is missing such as the simple fact of the missing 'seven years of Nebuchadnezzer's absence from the throne. Where is that seven years gap accounted for in all of the many thousands of secular documents? I find such a blatant omission very troubling indeed but I am much encouraged by the fact that those celebrated WT scholars have remained true to the infallible Word of God and proved absolutely that there is such a twenty gap between biblical chronology and traditional chronology.

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  The WTS twists Jeremiah 38:17 – 18

  by Doug Mason in

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  towards the end of zedekiah's reign, jeremiah pleaded with him, telling him to willingly serve babylon.

  a period of 70 years servitude to babylon was already in place and jeremiah told the king that if he was not prepared to serve babylon, the city of jerusalem would be needlessly destroyed and his life would needlessly be taken.

  but if zedekiah surrendered, not only would his life be spared, but the city would not be burned down.

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  Doug Mason

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  I simply cannot agree with your claim that the Society has paraphrased Jeremiah 38: 17, 18 incorrectly or has twisted a very obvious and plain reading of the text. It appears that you are trying to superimpose a meaning of the text by somehow dividing up the seventy years as a period of servitude alone rather than the simple fact that the seventy years was a period of servitude-exile-desolation as described by Jeremiah 25:11.

  The events of chapter 38 pertain to the seige of Jerusalem prior to her Fall and Destruction in 607 BCE for at that time Judah was already in servitude to Babylon but the foretold seventy years had not then commenced because Jerusalem and Judah were inhabited. Zedekiah simply faced a choice and could have minimized the effects of the seige but foretols seventy years would still have to run its course as Jeremiah foretold.

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  The WTS twists Jeremiah 38:17 – 18

  by Doug Mason in

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  towards the end of zedekiah's reign, jeremiah pleaded with him, telling him to willingly serve babylon.

  a period of 70 years servitude to babylon was already in place and jeremiah told the king that if he was not prepared to serve babylon, the city of jerusalem would be needlessly destroyed and his life would needlessly be taken.

  but if zedekiah surrendered, not only would his life be spared, but the city would not be burned down.

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  AnnOMaly

  Jerermiah does not make it plain that the 70 years could have run without the destruction of Jerusalem because Jeremiah makes it very plain that the seventy years was not only a period of servitude to Babylon but included exile and desolation of the land. At that late hour of Zedekiah's reign he could have chosen to what extent Jerusalem would be destroyed and that such a surrender would not have resulted in preventing the period of the seventy years for that prophetic judgement had to run its course. At that time Judah was already in servitude to Babylon so this proves that the final outcome had to eventuate and that final outcome would be simply the fact of complete deportation of the people from Judah to Babylon and a land desolate for a period of seventy years.

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  The WTS twists Jeremiah 38:17 – 18

  by Doug Mason in

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  towards the end of zedekiah's reign, jeremiah pleaded with him, telling him to willingly serve babylon.

  a period of 70 years servitude to babylon was already in place and jeremiah told the king that if he was not prepared to serve babylon, the city of jerusalem would be needlessly destroyed and his life would needlessly be taken.

  but if zedekiah surrendered, not only would his life be spared, but the city would not be burned down.

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  Doug Mason

  I cannot agree with your claim that the paraphrase of Jeremiah 38:17-18 in the Watchtower, February1, 1980 twists what Jeremiah said for it is simply the csae that a choice was put to Zedekiah that by his actions, Jerusalem's fate could be determined. In fact, you muddy the waters by yopur claiming that the 70 years of servitude had already commenced at that time of Jeremiah's prophecy. The Bible clearly indicates that the seventy years only began with the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 BCE when Nebuchadnezzer finally deported the population to exile at Babylon leaving a desolated land of Judah. The period of seventy years does not enter anywhere into the context of Jeremiah 38 and all that you are doing is introducing the 70 years as a 'red herring'.

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