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Watchtower Comments THE GENERATION CHANGE Featuring LEOLAIA

by V in

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Mary

Post 9247

A quality typical of apostates is 'gulliibility' and when someone writes a piece against WT doctrine even if it is dressed up as scholarship then it is instantly accepted by all without a moment of criticism. I have printed out her opinion and have carefully examined here facts, logic paragraph by paragraph and it is simply fraudently and I have already posted my reasons for saying this. Further, I invite her to defend her pretensions with me and I expect that we will be debating these matters soon. I may be many things and there are many things that I am not good at but one thing I am good at and that is spotting a fraud either in the long distance or close up and this nonsense is deceptive and fraudulent, So there1

So if you so smart and are convinced by this opinion of Leolaia then perhaps you could give me a simple reason why parousia means coming and not present in the context of Matthew 24. Come on and have a go.

scholar JW

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Watchtower Comments THE GENERATION CHANGE Featuring LEOLAIA

by V in

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AnnOmaly

Amateurish it is, scholarly it is not but is simply a diatribe dressed up as scholarship against the Lord's people. For starters, there is no evidence of wide reading or research, there is no use of Lexica, Commentaries or Journal articles support her opinion. Further, many of the areas that she touches on are the subject of much varied opinion within scholarship which she fails to mention to the reader. She creates the opinion that all matters are black and white or true and false such as we are wrong but I/she is right which is deceit at its very best. Leolaia from her earliest postings has always shown a preferenc efor extra-Biblical sources which is OK but not at the expense of careful hermeneutics of the Sacred Text.

Also, she implies that the use of Eisegesis is unwise or is misused but for the record I would contend that eisegesis is a sound hermeneutical practice and is most essential in understanding Bible prophecy and is necessary in the current interpretation of the Olivet Discourse,

scholar JW

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-20-08 WT Study (Presence)

by blondie in

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"what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system things?"--matt.

q) 6 what does revelation chapter 12 help us to understand about christ's presence?

q) 8, 9. who would recognize the sign of christs presence and understand its meaning?.

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Jeffro

Post 1739

If you cannot stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-20-08 WT Study (Presence)

by blondie in

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friends

"what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system things?"--matt.

q) 6 what does revelation chapter 12 help us to understand about christ's presence?

q) 8, 9. who would recognize the sign of christs presence and understand its meaning?.

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hilary_step

Post 8010

Certainly 'arrival' is far better than 'coming' as it approximates that locative aspect inherent in the word 'presence' Coming is simply momentary rather than the static sense conveted by 'being present'. However, all Greek Lexicons give 'presence' as a primary meaning and 'arrival' or 'coming' as secondary meanings for parousia. Theological dictionaries call attention to the Technical Meaing of parousia when applied to the arrival or coming of a royal personage on a visit which of course terms such as 'coming' or 'arrival' are usually applied. However, in the case of Jesus Christ the meaning of presence is the only choice for it is made necessary by the context, etymology, discernment by His disciples, worldwide location by the use of the 'lightning' metaphor and its invisibility because it is not easily recognizable and deceived by false prophets.

All of these exegetical facts prove that parousia means 'presence' and 'presence' alone.

scholar JW

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-20-08 WT Study (Presence)

by blondie in

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friends

"what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system things?"--matt.

q) 6 what does revelation chapter 12 help us to understand about christ's presence?

q) 8, 9. who would recognize the sign of christs presence and understand its meaning?.

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Jeffro

Post 1737

No, parousia means 'presence' in not just Modern Greek but also in the Koine and Classical Greek and this is where Leolaia's nonsense and that of other apostates fails because it is based on a lie. Apostates want to rewrite the Greek Lexicons as they have this crazy notion that parousia means 'coming'. The Society under the tutelage of 'celebrated WT scholars have finally got the right interpretation of the Mathean 'generation' and everyone is happy about that except the 'evil slave' class'.

scholar JW

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Revelation - It's Grand Climax Adjusted

by Jeffro in

having received a copy of the new watchtower library cd, i decided to do a comparison of what actually changed with the updated revelation book.

i was expecting some significant changes with some 'new light' for the 'trumpet blasts' or other 'important' stuff, but in all, i thought the changes were mostly quite mundane, though some seem a little crafty for different reasons.

any thoughts.... throughout.

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Jeffro

The changes that you have listed are minor or technical in nature serving the need for clarity and accuracy so that we can be so ever grateful for the pure biblical research of the celebrated WT scholars.

scholar JW

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-20-08 WT Study (Presence)

by blondie in

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friends

"what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system things?"--matt.

q) 6 what does revelation chapter 12 help us to understand about christ's presence?

q) 8, 9. who would recognize the sign of christs presence and understand its meaning?.

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Blondie

Celebrated WT scholars have long last published clarification of that moxt vexed phrase 'this generation' in the Synoptic Gospels. Christendom's scholars have had great difficulty in making sense of the Olivet Discourse so this correct understanding of matters is of benefit to all peoples. [removed - JGnat]

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Watchtower Comments THE GENERATION CHANGE Featuring LEOLAIA

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V

Post 533

I have printed out for critical examination Leolaia's analysis of the Watchtower article on the Parousia and the Generation. It is pleasing that the 'celebrated WT scholars have for the benefit of not only the Lord;s people and those of 'goodwill' but also the community of scholars worldwide. The Watchtower is the most widely published Bible journal on earth and has a long contribution of producing research for the benefit of all peoples. For many decades scholars and theologians alike have been much troubled in the exegesis of the Olivet Discourse in the Synoptic Gospels and in particular that troublesome phrase 'this generation' in Matt 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 21:32. At long last the matter is now simply and accurately presented in the Watchtower, Feb 15, 2008 Study Edition.

Leolaia's analysis is amateurish, devoid of careful scholarship and full of deceit and trickery. It is typical apostate nonsense with half truths and a pandering to higher critics and those who would rather pursue a lazy and unChristian lifestyle. From the very first comments on the mistaken Markan priority over Matthew it is all 'downhill' from there. So, I wish to respond in some detail to this nonsense posed as scholarship over the coming days and I will be offering pertinent criticism of this nonsense.

scholar JW

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Ptolemy's "Canon" unreliable .

by hamsterbait in

the "canon" of ptolemy cannot be used to reconstruct babylonian succession.

this is because it is an astronomical treatise.. it does not even pretend to be a history of the babylonian kings list.. ptolemy compiled his information to back up the (at that time) astonishing accuracy with which astronomical events could be predicted and traced using his model of the solar system expounded in the almagest.. so if no notable event happened in the reign of a particular king, he is not mentioned.. however events which could be traced to a date and time, are mentioned, and the king ruling at the time named.

this would facilitate tracing the records made by the babylonians who were expert observers of celestial phenomena.. the egyptian historical records also show 587 as the date of jerusalem being sacked.

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hamsterbait

Sadly, Ptolemy's Canon is very unreliable and is useless for the purposes of accurate Bible chronology for even one of its greatest supporters the esteemed chronologist Edwin W Thiele admitted that it was prepares for astronomical and not for historical purposes. In fact, the king list for the Babylonians is at least twenty years too short giving a false and misleading date for the Fall of Jerusalem in 586 or 587 BCE rather than the biblical date of 607 BCE.

Along with the Egibi documents such secular records omit important historical facts such as the missing seven years of Nebuchadnezzer' reign and the fact that the biblical seventy years that began during Nebuchadnezzer's reign proves that the Neo- Babylonian chronology is at least twenty years too short. It is far wiser to accept the Bible as the authority rather than the opinions of apostates and higher critics who have not interest in upholding the integrity of the Bible.

scholar JW

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Egibi Business Tables, The Watchtower ignores fundamental Evidence!

by VM44 in

the egibi banking family lived in babylon continuously through the time period of the reigns of the neo-bablylonian kings.. many of their buisiness records for have survived and provide a detailed description of how business was transacted by the babylonians circa 600 bce.. the discorvery of the egibi records is not recent.

they were found in the later half of the 19th century and are mentioned in many books and articles.. for example, google books has this book, hours with the bible, or, the scriptuers in the light of modern knowlege, by cunningham geikie.

that was published 1892, that mentions the egibi records and how they provide .

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VM44

Post 3910

Well it comes down to the fact as to how much historical value can be attributed to these documentts. You claim that these documents are a credible witness to the integrity of the traditional chronology but that does not make sense when these documents lack historicity. Further, the data in these documents do not account for the twenty year gap between biblical chronology and Neo-Babylonian chronology for there is compelling evidenc ethat the traditional chronology is at least twenty years too short. The business documents are at best 'problematic' and have only cultural merit being useless for the purpose of chronology.

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