Fisherman
Simply put: 539-70=609, not 586.
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Not so for the purpose of accuracy:
537 BCE-70 years= 607 BCE
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What changes are on the way?
by insearchoftruth ini was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.
anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.
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Great news friends
by Beth Sarim inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6cv4jxbapu.
eric wilson outlines how this book is being released again.. i have the 2004 edition.
which i purchased in 2018. was fortunate to obtain at a reasonable price, which i thought i totally lucked-out on because i thought it was never going to be released again.
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Beth Sarim
I have already written a Book Review for Gentile Times Reconsidered, 4th edn, when news of an updated version was announced early October this year. I have ordered this new version and after reading it will post my Review online. Wilson's video review adds nothing new to the debate in advocating the proposed date of 587 for the Fall rather than the biblically established date of 607 BCE
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Jeffro
All evidence for the period confirms that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 BCE. The planetary observations are just one more means of confirmation, but poor ‘scholar’ rejects them by necessity.
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Nonsense.All of the evidence: secular, biblical, historical and scientific points very clearly that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE.
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The JW chronology is out of step with reality by 20 years, as independently determined by the Bible, Assyrian history, Egyptian history, Babylonian history, Babylonian financial documents, and the literal heavens. But ‘scholar’ will cling to mother Watch Tower.
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WT/JW Bible Chronology has clearly demonstrated that the NB Period fails to account for at least a gap of twenty years as independently confirmed by VAT 4956 which has been hailed by WT critics especial SDA scholars and COJ as the cornerstone of NB Chronology.
The said scholar maintains his adherence to God's Word the Bible also championed by celebrated WT scholars.
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Jeffro
The fact is that if the Watch Tower Society announced tomorrow that Jerusalem was destroyed in a different year (like when they previously insisted it was in 606), ‘scholar’ would jump right on board. He doesn’t care about the facts, just his religious dogma.
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Your comment is indicative of despair and desperation and fails to acknowledge that the said scholar loves facts and has no time for dogma.
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Rocketman123
hen your a corrupt intellectually dishonest bible scholar, just like the so called WTS/JWS bible scholars
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Thank you for the compliment.
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Rocketman123
One thing to note about JWS and 607 BCE is that if you are going to be an accepted member and identified in good standing you have to agree and support 607 BCE., which includes agreeing with 1914.
Isn't that right Scholar ?
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Absolutely!!!!
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Jeffro
See https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/216056/vat-4956-comparison-lunar-three-time-intervals-years-568-7-bce-588-7-bce for AnnOMaly's excellent thread analysing the astronomical observations in VAT 4956 against the claims made in the November 2011 issue of The Watchtower.
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Now debunked by Furuli using the best or the more professional astro-program available SkyX
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Jeffro
Haha... so, based on the information purportedly from Furuli, I was basically right on both counts when I said:
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Aren't you a smart little boy.
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(Furuli allegedly says it was he who 'assisted', but in the capacity as the primary 'researcher' for his fudged 'observations'.)
-- Furuli was consulted and played a major part in the research for the WT article using others to corroborate his research but his research could well be the basis for the article.
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But as has already been pointed out, it is quite obvious why Watch Tower (and Furuli) need to discount the observations of the planets
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The WT article did not discuss the planetary data for the reasons given in the article but Furuli most certainly does in his research proving that these were simply retro calculations therefore not reliable.
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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joey jojo
Here are 2 lines of VAT4956:
Line 2: Saturn was in front of the Swallow.
Line 9: Saturn was in front of the Swallow.
If I am reading the tablet right, the time between the observance of Saturn in the first line and the second is about 28 days. So , for weeks, Saturn was roughly in front, or to the east, of the Swallow constellation
This is all the information that anyone that knows anything about astronomy needs. A difference in half a degree here or there is totally inconsequential. In fact, any one of these 2 observations are enough to pinpoint the year.
Saturn takes 29 years to complete its orbit around the Sun and reappear in the same place. The difference between 568 and 588, as argued is only 20 years.
If the location of Saturn in regard to the Swallow matches for 567/8,then it will not match for 588- it won't even be close. 588 is incorrect, everyone, except the WT knows it.
Actually, I'm pretty sure they know it too.
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A little dose of plain common sense that the lunar observations would be more use than that of planetary observations for the fact of its proximity to the Earth and ease of observations over the centuries.
The simple fact is that the planetary observations are open to interpretation and as the WT article notes that in the case of VAT 4956 which contained 15 planetary observations and 13 sets of lunar observations. The latter are are observations considered superior to the former and show a precise match for 588 BCE. Other celestial bodies relating to the moon can also be identified and their positions can be dated with a good measure of certainty.
Thus as the planetary observations are open to some interpretation and although not considered in the WT article were certainly examined by Furuli who found that these are only approximately correct and may have been retro calculations based on the historical assumption that Neb's 37 th year was 568 BCE
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