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What changes are on the way?

by insearchoftruth in

i was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.

anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.

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Fisherman

WT has always explained that Babylon fell in 539 not 537 and that the 70 years did not start until after Gedaliah was assasinated also that Jews did not leave Babylon in 539 and it took time to get there and that the land lay desolate until the first Jew set foot on eretz Israel in 537– But that is all extrapolation. We do know, however, —because it is a historical fact—that Babylon fell in 539. Although I believe that WT extrapolation is correct, it cannot be proven. The pivotal date 539 though is fact and God’s word says land desolate 70 years.—That we know.

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No this is not extrapolation but historical facts based on Ezra the historian who wrote Ezra and Chronicles. Babylon fell in 539 BCE but the Jews remained in exile after that event being released under the Cyrus Decree in 537 BCE. The land remained desolate for 70 years which was also the period of Exile so if we count back we come to 607 BCE for the beginning of the Exile and not 586 or 587 BCE.

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Simply put, 539-70 is 609. Ball park, circa, around = 607 and 1914. 537 is not a “historical date” although 539 is.

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539 BCE does not work for at that time the Jews were still in Exile and the land remained desolate until reoccupied by the Jewish Exiles. Further, 609 BCE was a non-event in respect of Jewish history so it cannot be used as a starting point for the 70 years.

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What changes are on the way?

by insearchoftruth in

i was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.

anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.

scholar

Fisherman

Simply put: 539-70=609, not 586.

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Not so for the purpose of accuracy:

537 BCE-70 years= 607 BCE

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Great news friends

by Beth Sarim in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6cv4jxbapu.

eric wilson outlines how this book is being released again.. i have the 2004 edition.

which i purchased in 2018. was fortunate to obtain at a reasonable price, which i thought i totally lucked-out on because i thought it was never going to be released again.

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Beth Sarim

I have already written a Book Review for Gentile Times Reconsidered, 4th edn, when news of an updated version was announced early October this year. I have ordered this new version and after reading it will post my Review online. Wilson's video review adds nothing new to the debate in advocating the proposed date of 587 for the Fall rather than the biblically established date of 607 BCE

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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joey jojo

Just be honest, you are trolling us, right?
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Wrong
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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Jeffro

All evidence for the period confirms that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 BCE. The planetary observations are just one more means of confirmation, but poor ‘scholar’ rejects them by necessity.

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Nonsense.All of the evidence: secular, biblical, historical and scientific points very clearly that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE.

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The JW chronology is out of step with reality by 20 years, as independently determined by the Bible, Assyrian history, Egyptian history, Babylonian history, Babylonian financial documents, and the literal heavens. But ‘scholar’ will cling to mother Watch Tower.

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WT/JW Bible Chronology has clearly demonstrated that the NB Period fails to account for at least a gap of twenty years as independently confirmed by VAT 4956 which has been hailed by WT critics especial SDA scholars and COJ as the cornerstone of NB Chronology.

The said scholar maintains his adherence to God's Word the Bible also championed by celebrated WT scholars.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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Jeffro

The fact is that if the Watch Tower Society announced tomorrow that Jerusalem was destroyed in a different year (like when they previously insisted it was in 606), ‘scholar’ would jump right on board. He doesn’t care about the facts, just his religious dogma.

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Your comment is indicative of despair and desperation and fails to acknowledge that the said scholar loves facts and has no time for dogma.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

scholar

Rocketman123

hen your a corrupt intellectually dishonest bible scholar, just like the so called WTS/JWS bible scholars

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Thank you for the compliment.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

scholar

Rocketman123

One thing to note about JWS and 607 BCE is that if you are going to be an accepted member and identified in good standing you have to agree and support 607 BCE., which includes agreeing with 1914.

Isn't that right Scholar ?

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Absolutely!!!!

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

scholar

Jeffro

See https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/216056/vat-4956-comparison-lunar-three-time-intervals-years-568-7-bce-588-7-bce for AnnOMaly's excellent thread analysing the astronomical observations in VAT 4956 against the claims made in the November 2011 issue of The Watchtower.

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Now debunked by Furuli using the best or the more professional astro-program available SkyX

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

scholar

Jeffro

Haha... so, based on the information purportedly from Furuli, I was basically right on both counts when I said:

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Aren't you a smart little boy.

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(Furuli allegedly says it was he who 'assisted', but in the capacity as the primary 'researcher' for his fudged 'observations'.)

-- Furuli was consulted and played a major part in the research for the WT article using others to corroborate his research but his research could well be the basis for the article.

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But as has already been pointed out, it is quite obvious why Watch Tower (and Furuli) need to discount the observations of the planets

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The WT article did not discuss the planetary data for the reasons given in the article but Furuli most certainly does in his research proving that these were simply retro calculations therefore not reliable.

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