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  "would you drink a glass of water if it had just a tiny bit of poison in it?"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no doubt we have all heard that well used "illustration" in public talks etc over the years:.

  "if you were handed a glass of water that looked pure, but were told it has just a tiny drop of poison in it, would you drink it?".

  the society has used that illustration at length to say we should avoid all influences of every part of the world.. but, as we know, the society has had a track record of errors, false ideas and doctrines.

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  "would you drink a glass of water if it had just a tiny bit of poison in it?"

  Isn't that what homeopathy is all about?
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  Sometimes I think the WT is mocking the masses

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as in today's study.... 18 to lie is to say something untruthful.

  (as in millions now living will never die, this generation will by no means pass away, allegations of pedophile abuse of children in congregations is apostate lies) however, jehovah wants his people to go beyond not telling outright lies.

  he urged the ancient israelites: “you should be holy, because i, jehovah your god, am holy.” then he gave examples of being holy.

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  Oh, they ARE mocking us. And very brazenly as well.

  I already explained in a former post how their "memorial" is really an understated black mass. Then of course there are the not-so-subliminal occult symbols to be found in their publications. They know that most of their followers are too brain dead to notice any of it; but that outsiders, especially ex-jws, WILL notice. It must be truly hilarious from their point of view.

  Forgive them not, for they know PRECISELY what they do.
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  What has been your own personal experience of shunning?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am interested in finding out on a small scale the extent of which shunning has impacted on you personally.. my own experience is that when i faded about 12 years ago.

  the woman whose house the book study was held at (and who was virtually a neighbour) walked right past me in my own street.

  i remember it so well.

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  My dad had me baptized in the Church of Scotland as an infant. Consequently, my soul was already spoken for by the calvinist God long before a JW baptism would be permissible. And since I was never baptized in the JW cult, they could not legally disfellowship me. You would think that this fortuitous legal loophole would have protected me from being shunned. Not so.

  After foolishly consenting to follow the two elders into the back room so they could determine my guilt, I was shunned informally. Again, since I was not baptized and thus not DFable, they could not announce anything during a meeting; but news of my apostasy spread just as quickly through word of mouth.

  My friends (who had been aware of my apostasy all along, way before the elders or my mom caught on) stopped talking to me, but my mom (who is the only JW in my entire extended family) has always stayed in contact. Sometimes JWs from the local congregation will say hello if we meet in public and an older brother will still engage me in long theological debates which I am all too happy to humor, as they allow me to share my own knowledge with him.

  All in all, I think my shunning experience has been pretty mild compared what I have heard from others. It's rather ironic (downright baffling, really) that only those whom I was closest to actually shun me now, while JWs whom I barely know will gladly converse with me. Maybe it's because the congregation here is not the same one as that which I grew up in. They didn't actually see me "DFd", so it's not as real to them.
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  "New Light" explanations!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  most of us have listened to and enjoyed deborah frances white's fantasic comedy shows.. if you haven't yet heard her stuff, here it is:.

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cqweuhh0qeq.

  in it, she and ryan very cleverly come up with"new-light" descriptions.

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  Hilarious and, at times, haunting...
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  Leaving a small minority group.....

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has a profound influence on our life.

  on the one hand we have the background of our childhood, our upbringing, but when we leave and become apart of society, our witness traits and their set of beliefs are not tailored to fit in.

  however as i slowly learnt to know longer judge from the perspective of my witness life, i also learnt i am simply an ordinary person.

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  Thanks for your reply Rebel.

  I guess you live in a much more liberal place than where I grew up. I crossdressed as a kid and got bullied rather violently for it; but the bullies weren't JWs, they were wordly kids.

  I still had to hide my books at school, but not because reading them could get me disfellowshipped, but because the wordly kids would take them away and destroy them just to spite me.

  I couldn't hold hands with my girlfriend, not because it was against biblical standards, but because it made her into a slut.

  I now live in a more liberal area where I can leave my book unattended and probably make out with my girlfriend in public if I had one. But I've also noticed that this place has its own prejudices and bigotries. Two examples come to mind:

  Being rich is cool here, but if you are homeless the police will harrass you in the dead of night for the terrible crime of sleeping in the park when no one else is there.I try to reason with people (especially the police who are doing this). But no one listens. According to them these bums CHOSE to be homeless because they are lazy. Right... they choose to live outside in the cold and the rain because that is so much easier than reporting to a McJob every day and doing a few hours of work.

  It's okay to be gay here, but I know this one guy whose now a registered "pedophile" because he had sex with a 14 year old when he was in his early 20s. I tried to defend the guy. I tied to educate people about just how provincial and modern our current age of consent is in the context of (even recent) history. I tried to help them see the situation from a different perspective, such as maybe the 14 years old's right to her own bodily integrity. But my rational arguments got drowned out by their moral indignation. I must be a pedophile myself or why else would I be defending these perverts (I was met with similar brilliant 'rebuttals' back in my home town when I defended gay friends).

  Humans don't need a spiritual justification for being assholes; a moral or political cause will do just fine.

  Okay. I'm sorry. Overcast days leave me depressed. I needed to vent and it got out of hand. End of rant.
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  Shun Glasses

  by Tallon in

  1. social
  2. humour

  saw this on another exjw site and had a good laugh.. hope you get a kick out of it too ;).

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb2wzmfccdq&feature=youtu.be.

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  I want a pair!
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  Origin of shunning

  by anointed1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  satan loves his own people and hates those who do not share his views, hence only he can use shunning as a weapon.. on the contrary, god is love (agape = unconditional love), cannot have his own people.

  (mathew 5:44-48).

  all the accounts not in conformity with this principle originated from cleric’s pen (jeremiah 7:31; 8:8).

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  “He drew a circle that shut me out-

  Heretic , rebel, a thing to flout.

  But love and I had the wit to win:

  We drew a circle and took him In!"

  ~ 'Outwitted', Edwin Markham

  
  
  
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  Do you think I should get something for my wife for her birthday?

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife is still nominally in, but only because it "makes me (her) happy".

  there is nothing academic about her beliefs and when i try, she interprets me as negative.. but then she cusses like a sailor and watches certain movies with me.

  her birthday is coming up and it's also right around valentine's day.

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  Rainbow_Troll

  You might want to try giving it directly after her Bday. JWs are legalists after all, and this always worked for my mother.
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  undeserved kindness vs. grace

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  undeserved kindness means- you puny humans are irredemable and worthless, but because i am such a benevolent and magnanimous god.

  i give you a way for salvation.

  but you better keep working day in and day out for the rest of your miserable lives and perhaps i'll save you on my day of wrath.

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  "If someone says to us that God has rights but not responsibilities because He is stronger than we are, we say that this is what we mean by an impious saying. He may even dare to add that God is everything to us, but we are nothing to Him, whereas the contrary is true. God, who is infinitely greater than us, contracted an infinite debt in putting us into the world. He has dug the pit of human weakness which only He can fill in."

  ~ Eliphas Levi

  
  
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  Leaving a small minority group.....

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has a profound influence on our life.

  on the one hand we have the background of our childhood, our upbringing, but when we leave and become apart of society, our witness traits and their set of beliefs are not tailored to fit in.

  however as i slowly learnt to know longer judge from the perspective of my witness life, i also learnt i am simply an ordinary person.

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  I envy you. When I was in the WT I may have felt alienated from mainsteam society, but at least I felt at home in the KH.

  Now I just feel alienated, period.

  I am very keen to understand how you can feel such solidarity with mainstream society. Isn't it just a cult writ large with its own silly rules and prejudices? Its own outgroups?

  Being a JW has made me cynical of all groups because I can see the same patterns of behavior in them all. For that reason I've rejected the idea of being a member of any group; though I do have friends.